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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    They = anyone in a country we are currently attacking.
    We = any American that pays their taxes.
    Again...Id stick with reality. They being whoever specifically you are talking about and we being...well...you.

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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    How wrong. However, the actions of rogue soldiers who violate military rules does not reflect upon the US military as a whole. These murderers will be tried and hopefully justice will be served. The US military is an extremely strict organization and does not condone these actions. The military is seeking punishment for the criminals and for justice to prevail in this horrible atrocity.
    of course it doesn't reflect on all soldiers.... but if your instinctual reaction is to point that out, then that's a little weird

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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The US military is an extremely strict organization and does not condone these actions. The military is seeking punishment for the criminals and for justice to prevail in this horrible atrocity.
    What about when we let others do dirty things and make laws that prevent whistleblowers? For example: Frago 242. Does that reflect the US military at all? How about those in control of the investigations at least?

    Iraq war logs: Secret order that let US ignore abuse | World news | guardian.co.uk
    A prisoner was kneeling on the ground, blindfolded and handcuffed, when an Iraqi soldier walked over to him and kicked him in the neck. A US marine sergeant was watching and reported the incident, which was duly recorded and judged to be valid. The outcome: "No investigation required."

    That was a relatively minor assault. Another of the leaked Iraqi war logs records the case of a man who was arrested by police on suspicion of preparing a suicide bomb. In the station, an officer shot him in the leg and then, the log continues, this detainee "suffered abuse which amounted to cracked ribs, multiple lacerations and welts and bruises from being whipped with a large rod and hose across his back". This was all recorded and judged to amount to "reasonable suspicion of abuse". The outcome: "No further investigation."

    Other logs record not merely assaults but systematic torture. A man who was detained by Iraqi soldiers in an underground bunker reported that he had been subjected to the notoriously painful strappado position: with his hands tied behind his back, he was suspended from the ceiling by his wrists. The soldiers had then whipped him with plastic piping and used electric drills on him. The log records that the man was treated by US medics; the paperwork was sent through the necessary channels; but yet again, no investigation was required.
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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Right here...
    That is not demonizing the US military, it is her saying that if Afghans were to get violent against coalitions forces she wouldn't blame them.

    Reading comprehension my friend.
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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    I wish I could say whether this situation was FUBAR or simply SNAFU.

    Considering how many people I love that are in the service, this sort of thing always messes with my head.
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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    There is nothing debatable here. It seems to me that the main intent of the OP is to demonize the US military.
    i do not think ignoring the horrors of war would be beneficial.
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    Obama is the CIC...how could he let this happen?
    Obama is NOT 50 feet tall, he is ONE inch deep.
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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    What about when we let others do dirty things and make laws that prevent whistleblowers? For example: Frago 242. Does that reflect the US military at all? How about those in control of the investigations at least?

    Iraq war logs: Secret order that let US ignore abuse | World news | guardian.co.uk
    I get a kick out of these types of posts that constantly try to paint the US as a bad actor on the world stage while when you look at this in context, the Russians do this, the Chinese do this, the Iranians do this, the Egyptians do this,the Saudis ect ect ect. But yet you dont see articles like this on any of them, only on the US and almost always from the far left.

    So then tell me, if you were an Iraqi prison guard and you watched your fellow citizens, perhaps family, men women & children die by the thousands at the hands of scum like these, many by bombs which killed hundreds at a time, many rounded up, tied up & shot in the back of the head.

    Would you go easy on them if they were on your care? If your family, friends had been victims of these terrorists?

    I think you'd be a liar if you said yes , of course you live in a nice place where things like this are rare or none so I doubt you can comprehend the reality of it.

    Although I wouldnt condone this type of treatment I cant say I feel sorry for them, I can certainly understand how it may happen with the culture of the ME the way it is.

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    Re: The 'Kill Team' Images--US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    I get a kick out of these types of posts that constantly try to paint the US as a bad actor on the world stage while when you look at this in context, the Russians do this, the Chinese do this, the Iranians do this, the Egyptians do this,the Saudis ect ect ect. But yet you dont see articles like this on any of them, only on the US and almost always from the far left.

    So then tell me, if you were an Iraqi prison guard and you watched your fellow citizens, perhaps family, men women & children die by the thousands at the hands of scum like these, many by bombs which killed hundreds at a time, many rounded up, tied up & shot in the back of the head.

    Would you go easy on them if they were on your care? If your family, friends had been victims of these terrorists?

    I think you'd be a liar if you said yes , of course you live in a nice place where things like this are rare or none so I doubt you can comprehend the reality of it.

    Although I wouldnt condone this type of treatment I cant say I feel sorry for them, I can certainly understand how it may happen with the culture of the ME the way it is.

    Are you kidding me? The Media makes plenty of countries looks bad. They usually hold the US as a shining example. If China kill its dissenters, it's reported as par for the course because that's what China does. Corruption and abuse of power in Russia, what can we expect of Russia? ME - backward people who like to kill each other and abuse their women (you already hold this stereotype). The US abuse prisoners? MOG, the US is supposed to value freedom, human rights, liberty etc. Maybe it's unfair to hold the US to such a high standard, would you really prefer the US to be seen as a regular Human Rights abuser with no moral weight whatsoever?


    It doesn't matter what the Guards have faced, if the guard did something wrong, the system should hold the guard accountable, not let the situation pass - that will only escalate the abuse since they feel they can get away with it.

    Human in power abuse others under them even when they haven't experience calamity of their own - see the Standford Prisoner Experiment.
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