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    Re: Doubts Mount on Libya War

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    Second, when good people see evil and do nothing they are accomplices of evil.
    So you're in favor of intervening in every country in the world that has human rights problems? Or should I interpret that in the more literal sense, that as long as you don't "see evil" on television, it's out of sight and out of mind?
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    Re: Doubts Mount on Libya War

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    Well, it's gone very far very quick. From establishing a no-fly zone to bombing Daffy's HQ. Anyone want to bet we already have boots on the ground? They don't do tactical bombing of "this force versus that force" without eyes on the ground. Whose eyes?

    At any rate, imo, President Obama made a HUGE mistake saying there'd be no boots on the ground. I cannot imagine why he said that. News at eleven.
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    Re: Doubts Mount on Libya War

    must gadaffi go or must gadaffi not go?

    Obama Says Gadhafi Must Go, Sends Transport to Tunisian Border - WSJ.com

    Targeting Gaddafi not part of mission - US general | Reuters

    if it's a no fly we're enforcing, why the attack on ground forces?

    Analysts say Germany and Italy's criticism stemmed from the coalition's targeting of Libyan tanks and forces on the ground, rather than simply limiting their actions to implementing a no-fly zone.
    First cracks emerge in military coalition on Libya

    does anyone believe the ditherer when he says, "days, not weeks"

    Libya Crisis: Obama Gives Moammar Gadhafi Ultimatum - ABC News

    chrissy matthews today asks these and a dozen other questions

    "Well, that's one question's where there is going to be one heck of an answer because I want to know, a lot of people want to know what are we doing in Libya? Are we going in there to kill Gaddafi? If not, what is the plan for Gaddafi? What is he to do? If you were Gaddafi what would you do? We're going in there with a so called no-fly zone but it seems to have a limited potential for fire power. We're now going after his command and control center, which is basically him. So what's he to do? Are we offering him an escape from the country? Is he going to get safe passage out of the country? What's his end game? What end game are we forcing him to? I wish I knew this. War is politics by other means; what are the politics of this war?Certainly in the short run it's to protect lives of people who would be killed in a slaughter of civilians in Benghazi and other places held by the rebels. What is the end game with our military involvement here? I hope the American people keep asking that. What are we trying to accomplish here? The news reporting has been unsatisfactory in that regard. I don't know if you -- we're even asking the right questions. What do we want to do with Gaddafi? What do we want Gaddafi to do with Gaddafi -- to end this? Because it seems to me it's not going to end until he's gone. Therefore, how are we going to get to that point?," Chris Matthews pondered on MSNBC this afternoon.
    RealClearPolitics - Video - Chris Matthews: "American People Deserve To Know Why We're At War"

    no wonder hillary was "pushed over the edge" by all the "amateurs" in the white house

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    are you sure this guy knows what he's doing?

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    Re: Doubts Mount on Libya War

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I don't like Moore either, but did you read the whole article? Congress is upset that Obama, after all his shaming of Bush, didn't consult congress at all (and he doesn't have to, I know) about action in Libya.

    This "little war" has cost us over 300mil so far, though.
    Lives and idealogy are more important than money. Money can be made but once you're dead, you're dead. Stop sounding like a greedy merchant. There is so much crap that could have been cut to pay for this and no I don't mean cutting teacher's salaries or kid's lunch meals either.

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    Re: Doubts Mount on Libya War

    Well, it's gone very far very quick. From establishing a no-fly zone to bombing Daffy's HQ. Anyone want to bet we already have boots on the ground? They don't do tactical bombing of "this force versus that force" without eyes on the ground. Whose eyes?
    It is extremely unlikely that the U.S. has soldiers on the ground. It would violate the U.N. mandate, probably piss off the Libyans, give credence to those who claim we are invading and risk loosing lives. Obama is rather timid and wouldn't take such an insanely risky move. Ground based recon is useful, but not an absolute requirement.


    At any rate, imo, President Obama made a HUGE mistake saying there'd be no boots on the ground. I cannot imagine why he said that. News at eleven.
    Obama did the right thing by avoiding land based commitments. It would violate our mandate, ensure we take casualties and risk getting sucked into yet another moronic counter insurgency. Sticking to an air campaign also lets us simply pack up a leave if the whole situation gets fubared.

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    Re: Doubts Mount on Libya War

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    First, name calling isn't needed. We all know that Moore's opinion isn't worth what we pay for it...even if it is free.

    Second, when good people see evil and do nothing they are accomplices of evil.
    I'm sure that the opposing side would tell you differently. Who's the evil one I mean.

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    Re: Doubts Mount on Libya War

    Split Libya.

    Leave Gadaffi in the West, and let the other tribes have the South and East.


    Libyan People & Ethnic Tribes



    During this respite, of the No Fly and No Drive Zone, the South East Tribes can form an Army and a Government.



    Libya is a fiction, and only created in 1934.

    Just re-draw some bounadaries and carve out a new country for the rebels.

    Here are some exisitng political boundaries:

    http://www.temehu.com/Cities_sites/Libya.htm








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    The Arab League must be laughing up their sleeves. It seems they know better at what will eventually happen in the democracies than the democracies do.

    And this time it fell apart in a matter of a few days.

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    Re: Doubts Mount on Libya War

    Quote Originally Posted by Animus View Post
    Lives and idealogy are more important than money. Money can be made but once you're dead, you're dead. Stop sounding like a greedy merchant. There is so much crap that could have been cut to pay for this and no I don't mean cutting teacher's salaries or kid's lunch meals either.
    This doesn't make any sense. Where did I say lives don't matter or that money matters more? Greedy merchant? WTF are you talking about?

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    Re: Doubts Mount on Libya War

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    It is extremely unlikely that the U.S. has soldiers on the ground. It would violate the U.N. mandate, probably piss off the Libyans, give credence to those who claim we are invading and risk loosing lives. Obama is rather timid and wouldn't take such an insanely risky move. Ground based recon is useful, but not an absolute requirement.

    Obama did the right thing by avoiding land based commitments. It would violate our mandate, ensure we take casualties and risk getting sucked into yet another moronic counter insurgency. Sticking to an air campaign also lets us simply pack up a leave if the whole situation gets fubared.
    But he's not stuck to an air campaign.
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