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    Re: Syria unrest: Thousands march in Deraa

    Using our Lybian logic we should go into Syria too.

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    Re: Syria unrest: Thousands march in Deraa

    When Syrian protests were first reported, very mild demonstrations followed by the massive pro-Govt rallies in Damascus, I thought that would be the end of it. Any further demonstrations would be pit down violently, quickly, and efficiently, like what happened to the Kurds when they challenged the Baathists in 2004. It was rumored Assad said he was going to make some major concessions in a speech, the first he gave in response to the crisis, and he had fired a couple of officials in Deraa.

    That's where Assad slipped up, perhaps not even able to comprehend the popular movement he was dealing with. Assad failed to make any concessions whatsoever, instead going on about stability and outside forces. And that's when it changed, Assad lost the chance to be ahead of the wave and, despite being far younger, you could see deep similarities between his speech and several that Mubarak gave. The feeling that despite being in power for years (in the case of the Baath party, decades) they were totally out of sync with the situation on the ground.

    That being said, I don't expect the downfall of the regime. I hope for it, like I hope for a democratic secular state to exist anywhere. But the regime has a history that rivals any other in modern history regarding bloodthirstiness.

    Using our Lybian logic we should go into Syria too.
    Wait--a transitional national council has been set up among Syrians and they're asking us to intervene to save several cities from aerial and artillery bombardment?

    I would have no objections to a similar strategy if it was appropriate for the situation, which is not the case right now.

    Anyways, back to the situation today on Saturday:

    Two Syrian legislators have resigned their posts in parliament as outrage grows over the security force's ongoing crackdown on anti-government protests.

    Nasser al-Hariri and Khalil al-Rifaei, independent MPs who represent the city of Daraa, where scores of protesters have been killed, both separately told Al Jazeera on Saturday that they were resigning over the killings of demonstrators.

    "I feel sorry for those who were killed in Houran today and yesterday by the bullets of security forces, despite the fact that the president has promised no live ammunition by security forces at all," al-Hariri said.
    Syrian legislators quit over crackdown - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

    I've been very wrong before, and I hope I am for the sake of the very brave people on the street in Syria.
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    Re: Syria unrest: Thousands march in Deraa

    today:

    BBC News - Syrian army attacks protest city of Deraa

    the use of tanks is new, a severe escalation

    5000 troops and 7 tanks advance into deraa on syria's southern border with jordan

    electricity in deraa cut, phone service, border closed

    25 killed, according to whatever sources bbc has to rely on, admittedly questionable

    95 dead on friday, 12 on saturday, nation wide, most in jabla on the mediterranean

    jabla is majority alawite, assad is alawite

    also violence in douma, suburb of damascus

    fyi

    you recall the administration reversed state dept policy towards syria and sent an ambassador, robert ford, via recess appointment

    Obama Will Send Envoy to Syria, Officials Say - NYTimes.com

    Obama recess appointment: Robert Ford Ambassador to Syria - National Legislative Watch | Examiner.com

    that was in december

    only 4 sundays ago hillary and the defense secty toured all the sunday talks except fox, most urgently to explain obama's libya policy, but also touching on the unrest rocking the entire middle east

    obama's sadsack secretary of state actually praised assad as "a reformer:"

    ”There is a different leader in Syria now, many of the members of Congress of both parties who have gone to Syria in recent months have said they believe he’s a reformer,” she said.
    Clinton calls Syrian tyrant a reformer

    that was 29 days ago

    are you sure these people know what they're doing?
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    Re: Syria unrest: Thousands march in Deraa

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Looks like Bashir Assad may be the next autocrat on the chopping block. Yes, he's brutal, and yes, he'll try to crush the protests just like every other Arab leader. But I don't think he's a Gaddafi. He doesn't have it in him to kill thousands upon thousands of people, and doesn't enjoy nearly as much popular support as his father did.
    gosh. a threat to Syria is sure to bring Iran into the conflict; this could potentially destabilize the entire region, and send that fragile area spinning into civil war and proxy war.

    quick! someone alert the President so that he can appoint a commission and then do nothing!!!

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    Re: Syria unrest: Thousands march in Deraa

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    today:

    BBC News - Syrian army attacks protest city of Deraa

    the use of tanks is new, a severe escalation

    5000 troops and 7 tanks advance into deraa on syria's southern border with jordan

    electricity in deraa cut, phone service, border closed

    25 killed, according to whatever sources bbc has to rely on, admittedly questionable

    95 dead on friday, 12 on saturday, nation wide, most in jabla on the mediterranean

    jabla is majority alawite, assad is alawite

    also violence in douma, suburb of damascus

    fyi

    you recall the administration reversed state dept policy towards syria and sent an ambassador, robert ford, via recess appointment

    Obama Will Send Envoy to Syria, Officials Say - NYTimes.com

    Obama recess appointment: Robert Ford Ambassador to Syria - National Legislative Watch | Examiner.com

    that was in december

    only 4 sundays ago hillary and the defense secty toured all the sunday talks except fox, most urgently to explain obama's libya policy, but also touching on the unrest rocking the entire middle east

    obama's sadsack secretary of state actually praised assad as "a reformer:"



    Clinton calls Syrian tyrant a reformer

    that was 29 days ago

    are you sure these people know what they're doing?
    please, pshaw. Obama was a senator for, like, almost five whole minutes. Plus he looks so.. you know... thoughtful and wise and stuff.... he's doing fine.....

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    Re: Syria unrest: Thousands march in Deraa

    The use of tanks is new? Pretty sure the Syrians used tanks to give Hama the topography of a basketball court back in the 1980s. What is new is the fact that video and pictures can be uploaded and shipped out extremely quickly, so unlike in the 1980s, where nobody new what had happened for some time, we know practically immediately.
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    Re: Syria unrest: Thousands march in Deraa

    But the BBC's Owen Bennett-Jones, in neighbouring Lebanon, says the use of tanks has not been reported elsewhere in Syria, and would mark a scaling up in the government's response to protests.
    bbc link above

    why did hillary praise assad as a reformer 4 sundays ago?

    why was jared cohen almost fired at state for working to keep twitter up in iran?

    NationalJournal.com - Obama Foreign Policy: 'Leading from Behind' - Monday, April 25, 2011

    in the raunchy world of realpolitik, this addled adminstiration is completely outta its element, all amateur

    which is pretty much what ms hillary herself intimated when she announced her decision not to return

    Obama’s indecision on Libya has pushed Clinton over the edge | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment

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    Re: Syria unrest: Thousands march in Deraa

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    gosh. a threat to Syria is sure to bring Iran into the conflict; this could potentially destabilize the entire region, and send that fragile area spinning into civil war and proxy war.

    quick! someone alert the President so that he can appoint a commission and then do nothing!!!
    I doubt it. Khamenei isn't looking to get bogged down in a Syrian conflict any more than Obama is looking to get bogged down in a Libyan conflict. In any case, there's really not much that can be done about it. I propose that the US stay out of it entirely, as we have no idea what the consequences would be.
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    Re: Syria unrest: Thousands march in Deraa

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I doubt it. Khamenei isn't looking to get bogged down in a Syrian conflict any more than Obama is looking to get bogged down in a Libyan conflict. In any case, there's really not much that can be done about it. I propose that the US stay out of it entirely, as we have no idea what the consequences would be.
    I don't.

    Iran has already supplied Syria with riot gear, crowd control munitions and 'trainers'. As of today that number supposedly reached over 300 (from earlier reports of 50 last week). Evidentally Iran has no problem getting involved.

    ....and Obama is not currently bogged down in Libya? We were supposed to be in and out remember? 'Leading from the rear....' or some such nonsense. Yet we are still there, and escalating daily.

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    Re: Syria unrest: Thousands march in Deraa

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    The ruling Bashar family killed between 15,000-20,000 in the city of Hama to suppress a challenge by the Muslim Brotherhood.
    I have to think he's being sarcastic.

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