Page 8 of 10 FirstFirst ... 678910 LastLast
Results 71 to 80 of 92

Thread: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

  1. #71
    Sage
    apdst's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Bagdad, La.
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:46 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    76,496

    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Why do we need to take over the country? Why is Gaddafi suddenly our enemy again? Where are we going to get the troops and money for an invasion? What about our experience in Iraq or Afghanistan makes you think that an occupation of yet another Muslim country would go well? What makes you think that "pounding the enemy into submission and taking over the country" would be helpful from a humanitarian perspective? And what makes you think that the successor government would be any better than Gaddafi?
    In that case, we shouldn't even **** with it. We should sit back and wait for things to grow totally our of control, until we have no choice but to go in, pound the enemy into submission and takeover the country; losing tens of thousands of American lives, in the process.

  2. #72

  3. #73
    Sage
    ric27's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Last Seen
    06-15-17 @ 02:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    7,539

    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Perfect example of the kind of ignorance that fuels distrust of America in the Middle East, and makes Arabs assume the worst about any humanitarian goals we might have in Libya.
    Of course Islam is "the problem" - they made it so. They are the ones claiming to act in its name.

    Also of course, if we resolve that somehow, they will create another issue.

  4. #74
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Canada, Costa Rica
    Last Seen
    05-16-16 @ 09:45 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,645

    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    In that case, we shouldn't even **** with it. We should sit back and wait for things to grow totally our of control, until we have no choice but to go in, pound the enemy into submission and takeover the country; losing tens of thousands of American lives, in the process.
    Why lose any American lives when you have all the weapons you will ever need, and all coming in various shapes and sizes for amusingly different light shows?

    Here's a helpful list which can easily be forwarded to BHO as a friendly reminder.

    # Land-Based Strategic Weapons

    * Minuteman III ICBM
    * Peacekeeper (MX) ICBM

    # Sea-Based Strategic Weapons

    * Ohio-class (Trident) SSBN
    * Trident I C-4 SLBM
    * Trident II D-5 SLBM

    # Air-Based Strategic Weapons

    * B-52H Stratofortress
    * B-1B Lancer
    * B-2A Spirit
    * ALCM
    * ACM
    * B53 Gravity Bomb
    * B61 Gravity Bomb (Strategic)
    * B83 Gravity Bomb

    # Non-Strategic Nuclear Weapons

    * Tomahawk TLAM-N SLCM
    * B61 Gravity Bomb (Tactical)

    Then you go in unmolested and help yourself to all the oil you want!

  5. #75
    Count Smackula
    rathi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    California
    Last Seen
    10-31-15 @ 10:29 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    7,890

    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Same war. Different bad borders. As long as the region is a mess, their radical base assumes God's enemy must pay. It's very archaic, but so is mass religious zealousy.
    Libya has nothing to do with the WOT. Qadaffi was not a friend of Al Qaeda, as evidenced by his ridiculous claims that they are behind the rebellion. The U.S. interest in Libya is for humanitarian reasons, scoring points in the PR game and hopefully stabilizing the price of oil.

  6. #76
    A Man Without A Country
    Mr. Invisible's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    New Jersey
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:21 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    4,961
    Blog Entries
    71

    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    I have to wonder if you understand the difference between rebels and protestors.
    I understand the difference. Maybe I did not express myself correctly. The hypocrisy of the US and its allies come from the fact that they are supporting a pro-democracy movement in Libya, while ignoring the pro-democracy movements in Bahrain and Yemen.
    "And in the end, we were all just humans, drunk on the idea that love, only love, could heal our brokenness."

  7. #77
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Last Seen
    08-25-16 @ 08:31 PM
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    11,265

    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post

    Because unlike Nixon, Polk did not inherit the Vietnam war from his predessor.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post

    no, he STARTED it
    Who are you claiming started the Vietnam War, Polk or Nixon?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post

    obama campaigned on afghanistan as the "right war"

    Earl Ofari Hutchinson: Why President Obama Should End the Afghanistan War

    in other words---if you ESCALATE it you OWN it
    We'll have to agree to disagree because I don't see Obama's attempt to win a war which has dragged on for 7 years before he took the reigns as "his war." Bush started this war; Bush fought this war for 7 years; this is Bush's war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post

    how do you propose Obama wins it, if not by escalating it?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post

    he can't, afghanistan is unwinnable
    I don't believe that. The goal at this point is to make the democratically elected government self sufficient and capable of fighting off the Taliban. I believe that could be attainable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post

    Al-Qaeda was always an outlying reason for invading Afghanistan.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post

    obama, december, 09: "that's not what the american people signed off for when they went into afghanistan in 2001, they signed up to go after al qaeda"
    That's true, that not what the American people signed up for. Al-Qaeda fled shortly after the war began, yet we remained for an additional 7 years under Bush and now 2 more under Obama. That's the war Obama inherited and that's the war he's trying to end.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post

    We are? Who said?

    Thanks for the link, I was unaware Obama set a timeline. Not too bright.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post

    where ya been?
    I don't hear every word Obama says.
    Last edited by Sheik Yerbuti; 03-21-11 at 10:46 PM.

  8. #78
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Canada, Costa Rica
    Last Seen
    05-16-16 @ 09:45 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    31,645

    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    I understand the difference. Maybe I did not express myself correctly. The hypocrisy of the US and its allies come from the fact that they are supporting a pro-democracy movement in Libya, while ignoring the pro-democracy movements in Bahrain and Yemen.
    Why doesn't the Arab League step in to help? Are they completely useless?

    Or are they anti Democracy?

  9. #79
    Sage
    Boo Radley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    11-22-17 @ 04:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    36,858

    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I think you're being asked to look at the bigger picture, and it is a point you should genuinely consider.
    The larger picture doesn't change the real differences. Core values are acore values, and not smething subject to being bent to fit a whim.

    It makes a difference how and when and why.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

  10. #80
    Meh...
    MSgt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Colorado
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:35 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    18,037

    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    no, it really isn't. It makes a difference on hwo and when and why.
    To who? And when you have decided why some things are worthy and not worthy of your deeper thought does it change the effort at all? Will it change the natural course of what is to come? You may as well find a way to see through the fog and see the MENA picture. Each one of these Arab governments are going to have it's own remedy, but they are all about the same thing.

    1) Iraq - Iraqis had no hope without us. With us ignoring their uprisings as Hussein went on to slaughhter the Shia and the Kurds in the 1990s, we had an obligation to get rid of the thorn that we were stuck to (and what Osama Bin Laden used to excuse 9/11).

    2) Egypt - With our military's relationships with the Egyptian military, we did not need to "intervene." That uprising was controlled and they are at the beginning of a new future.

    3) Libya - Since we have no relationships with their military, our option was to bomb military targets so as to give the rebelling people their opportunity to achieve a new future.

    Like I stated, every nation is going to have its own remedy, but it is all about the same thing. Ridding ourselves of these Cold War relics is good for our long term security. It is good for the people who know nothing but oppression and blame us for it. It is tactically smart and it is morally right.

    We have entered an age where we can finally be what we preach. Do you even realize what our history has been for this world? Thousands of years of empirical tradition via dictators, empires, and monarchies came down to the Soviet Union and the U.S. The Cold War boiled down to the free capitalist world versus the oppressed Communist world. Because of the way Europeans manufactured this world and created these Frankentstein's Monster nations, both superpowers took the easy way out and used the dictators to maintain order and stability. When America turned out to be the last man standing in 1991, it broke from historical tradition. The free democratic world finally one. Global authority, for the first time, didn't belong to a King, Kaiser, Czar, Emporer, etc. It belonged to the people. Along the way, we globalized the world. The consequences of this victory was that all those Frankenstein's Monster nations in the MENA were still stuck with the dictators. Without the ability to politically voice their opinions and design their own destinies, they began to go rogue. They formed terrorist organizations with religion as the theme (without answers and through great desparation all men turn to God). This is why so many terrorist attacks throughout the region and abroad are from organizations that no nation claims responsibility for. But we do know where they come from and why. And this is what the poorly named "War on Terror" has always been about.

    You may default to the fact that we can never vanquish terrorism. Well, that was never the goal. Where once we used dictators to oppress the tribes into good behavior we can no longer do this. This is the price of a globalized world. Where people have a choice, vote, decision, whatever, they do not easily throw their lives away. Where they have options andopportunities toprosper for their families, they do not join terrorist organizations. Outside of the dictator, only democracies have shown agility to deal with such problems. Therefore, the goal has always been to reduce this region's terrorism to a manageable level. You think it's a coincidence that all Arab governments are voicing for democracy today? You don't think that in a globalized internet induced twitter world full of information over flow that these people can't see what the rest of us have discovered as the means to prosperity and success? You think Iraq's success at the polls last year wasn't watched carefully by Al-Jazeera and so many individual citizens as their dictators bit their nails?

    You may also default to the fear that in a democracy they will merely vote in the terrorists. This is a poor outlook. These dictators, religious theocracies, and terrorist monsters know that their kind can not survive where people are educated and have a choice. Why do you think they wanted Iraq to fail so badly? Why do you think the Taliban shut down schools in Afghanistan? Why do you think Al-Queda targetted schools and voters in Iraq? This doesn't mean that as Palestinians proved, some garbage will not rise. But this is temporary and minor. Even the mighty French managed to vote in an Emperor on their path to democracy. Have they failed? Perhaps we can give a region full of religious people, who have been oppressed over the last few centuries, more than a few years to prove that they can do it too. The alternative is 9/11 repeated and repeated and repeated.

    What people have failed to recognize that we are at a historic crossroad once again. Failure to effectively counter the catalyzing effects of Radical Islam will prove people like Samuel Huntington correct about his Clash of Civilizations. The dictators and their religious tools of oppression were leading to decreased stability, decreased economic growth, and increased conflict. And as our own history shows, our security has always relied upon the health of foreign regions. Conversely, effectively countering this threat now will have worldwide, beneficial effects for generations to come. And if you don't think that these MENA events are world changing events, perhaps you should read up on China. Even they shut the Internet down for a spell so that their people wouldn't get any crazy ideas from these uprisings.

    MSgt
    Semper Fidelis
    USMC

Page 8 of 10 FirstFirst ... 678910 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •