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    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    This criticism only highlights the issue raised earlier when the Arab League adopted a hollow declaration in favor of a no fly zone. What was revealing at the time was that not one of the Arab League members devoted even a single military asset to enforcement of its declaration. The Arab League could have acted. But that wasn't its intent.

    IMO, the declaration was nothing but a cynical public relations effort aimed at making it appear that the Arab League was concerned about Libya. The declaration was hollow by design. That some Arab countries might provide some assets now that others have assumed the largest degree of risks and greatly degraded Gadhafi's air defenses does not change that. Not surprisingly, now that the no fly zone is being enforced, the Arab League is recoiling.
    Too true.

    The West will bomb Libya and the Arab League will then use this later against the West. They know our weaknesses and can exploit them. We cannot do the same because we wear politically correct multicultural lenses and assume everyone's values and interests are the same.

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    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Perfect example of the kind of ignorance that fuels distrust of America in the Middle East, and makes Arabs assume the worst about any humanitarian goals we might have in Libya.
    We should all be quiet lest the Muslims think ill of us? Why shouldn't the opposite be true? They don't hesitate to speak their minds, especially when its anti American and anti Western.

    It's about time we took of the gloves with these religious goofballs and explained the way the world works. Let them control the agenda and we'll all be living in a third world litter box.
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    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    us casualties in OBAMA'S WAR are up 400% since he was inaugurated

    iCasualties: Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom Casualties
    Let me know when the number of U.S. deaths approaches the 21,000 we lost during Nixon's war.

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    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And these "borders on a map" were place there not by Muslims but willy nilly by the Western powers of the day. There is no reason why the people who had these borders imposed on the should respect them.
    Oh, we can be very specific here. Europe did this. Kings, kaisers, and czars drew lineson a map before they even knew who lived within them. And when tribes, after hundreds and hundreds of years, found themselves squashed together under "one nation," Europeans sought the local warlord or dictator who would keep them in line. By the time the Cold War kicked off, the Soviet Union and America merely continued the recipe and maintained the error as one military coup after another replaced dictators and chose a super power daddy.

    Post World War I, Arabs didn't trust the European West because between Britain, France, and Russia they screwed them over. Come World War II, Arabs chose to ally with Nazi Germany for two reasons, 1) their ideology placed them against Jews and 2) Britain, France, and Russia were in the opposition. By the time the Cold War came along, America emerged as the leader of the Free Western world and was declared as Allah's enemy by Saayid Qutb. Despite our reluctance to support Israel and our absence from delivering weapons to them all the way up until the Suez War (1967), we were the hated leader of the West. It would take some time for Arabs to see America different from what they learned was the West. The West didn;t do all these things: save MENA Muslims the fate of hundreds of thousands of Muslimsin the Soviet Caucusus, save Muslims in Bosnia and Kuwait, offer democracy to Iraqis, rid them of the Taliban, and keep the Palestinians from falling off into history. Without America, none of this would have happened. No great Arab caliphate awaits in the wings to do what's right for his own people. No European nation would have been able to perform on the level of the Americans. No European would have united the West for any endeavor except for to war on each other.

    But all of this is lost, because a simple religious man named Saayid Qutb in the 1950s gave the tortured and oppressive souls of the MENA region their scapegoat. And how many in the "educated" West eat as much Arab **** sandwiches as they can just to self flaggelate and believe in the popular anti-American hype?

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    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You misread. When your side says this is the same thing, when it clearly isn't, it is your side brining up Bush. All I'm doing is answering.
    It's all the same crap. No matter how we get in and how this region changes, it is all the same mission. President Clinton knew that Saddam Hussein had to go for this region to go anywhere. He didn't have a 9/11. President Bush knew that Saddam Hussein had to go for this region to change. He had a 9/11. President Obama, despite his foolish posturing against disposing of Saddam Hussein also knows that this region has to change. What he has is the repercussion of Iraqis voting, which encouraged Tunisians to rise up and spark off the rest of the MENA. It is all connected. And looking for differneces to support your guy or to hate the other's guy is just as foolish as Rumsfeld's plan for the invasion of Iraq.

    In the end, the mission will go on. You may as well seek a better understanding instead of seeking ways to support and not support depending on the circumstances and whatever else makes it simple. It's all the same damn mission. Put the map away and look at the civilization. During the "Age of Independence" they all couped through their militaries and they all turned out somewhat the same. During what may be called the "Age of Social Change" or the "Age of Democracy" all the same Arab nations are again following the tribal theme. Borders don't matter and they certainly don't reflect the tribes within.
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    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    It's all the same crap. No matter how we get in and how this region changes, it is all the same mission. President Clinton knew that Saddam Hussein had to go for this region to go anywhere. He didn't have a 9/11. President Bush knew that Saddam Hussein had to go for this region to change. He had a 9/11. President Obama, despite his foolish posturing against disposing of Saddam Hussein also knows that this region has to change. What he has is the repercussion of Iraqis voting, which encouraged Tunisians to rise up and spark off the rest of the MENA. It is all connected. And looking for differneces to support your guy or to hate the other's guy is just as foolish as Rumsfeld's plan for the invasion of Iraq.

    In the end, the mission will go on. You may as well seek a better understanding instead of seeking ways to support and not support depending on the circumstances and whatever else makes it simple. It's all the same damn mission. Put the map away and look at the civilization. During the "Age of Independence" they all couped through their militaries and they all turned out somewhat the same. During what may be called the "Age of Social Change" or the "Age of Democracy" all the same Arab nations are again following the tribal theme. Borders don't matter and they certainly don't reflect the tribes within.
    no, it really isn't. It makes a difference on hwo and when and why.

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    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    no, it really isn't. It makes a difference on hwo and when and why.
    I think you're being asked to look at the bigger picture, and it is a point you should genuinely consider.

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    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Let me know when the number of U.S. deaths approaches the 21,000 we lost during Nixon's war.
    nixon?

    LOL!

    why not polk?

    meanwhile, obama ESCALATED afghanistan

    the enemy we seek, al qaeda, are NOT there

    the folks obama relies upon to afghanize our effort are incompetent and corrupt

    casualties over there are higher in 2 years of obama than in 8 under what's-his-name

    he's waging a not so SECRET war in pakistan

    we're sposed to start pullin out by summer

    collaborationists know what will happen to them and their families once we leave

    and according to BOB WOODWARD obama only ESCALATED cuzza POLITICS

    can you deny it?

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    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post

    nixon?

    LOL!

    why not polk?
    Because unlike Nixon, Polk did not inherit the Vietnam war from his predessor.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post

    meanwhile, obama ESCALATED afghanistan
    So? That doesn't make it his war any more than Vietnam was Nixon's war. Just because he's trying to win a war which Bush couldn't doesn't make it his war. Like Nixon, Obama inherited this mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post

    the enemy we seek, al qaeda, are NOT there
    Al-Qaeda was always an outlying reason for invading Afghanistan. The main reason was the government there which allowed Al-Qaeda to operate. From day one, we were at war with the Taliban and our efforts to remove them from power and install a democracy. Had the Taliban been thoroughly defeated while Bush was president, there would have been no need for Obama to escalate the efforts.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post

    casualties over there are higher in 2 years of obama than in 8 under what's-his-name
    Since 7 years under Bush failed to win that war, how do you propose Obama wins it, if not by escalating it?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post

    we're sposed to start pullin out by summer
    We are? Who said?

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    and according to BOB WOODWARD obama only ESCALATED cuzza POLITICS

    can you deny it?
    I cannot confirm nor deny that given I don't possess enough information to make such a call. I do believe that politics govern a lot of decisions made on any battlefield and I do figure that a war run by a politician will make decisions based on politics. That aside, I haven't read what Woodward said so I can't really comment about that either.

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    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Because unlike Nixon, Polk did not inherit the Vietnam war from his predessor.
    no, he STARTED it

    That doesn't make it his war any more than Vietnam was Nixon's war.
    obama campaigned on afghanistan as the "right war"

    Earl Ofari Hutchinson: Why President Obama Should End the Afghanistan War

    in other words---if you ESCALATE it you OWN it

    Al-Qaeda was always an outlying reason for invading Afghanistan.
    obama, december, 09: "that's not what the american people signed off for when they went into afghanistan in 2001, they signed up to go after al qaeda"

    Afghanistan: Barack Obama defends US pull out in mid-2011 - Telegraph

    how do you propose Obama wins it, if not by escalating it?
    he can't, afghanistan is unwinnable

    We are? Who said?
    Obama to start pulling troops out of Afghanistan by July 2011 - The Oval: Tracking the Obama presidency

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/02/wo.../02policy.html

    Afghanistan: Barack Obama defends US pull out in mid-2011 - Telegraph

    Afghanistan Pullout Set For July 2011

    Obama Lays Out New Afghanistan Strategy - CBS News

    President Obama's 2011 Deadline in Afghanistan Stirs Controversy | Asia | English

    Obama's Afghanistan deadline gives Taliban sustenance, US general warns | World news | The Guardian

    where ya been?

    I haven't read what Woodward said
    you should
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