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    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The point is that every soldier we commit to this is one soldier less that we could commit somewhere else. There are other places where there are human rights tragedies, where our help would actually be appreciated, and where we'd have a far higher chance of success. If we're going to get involved in military intervention for altruistic reasons, we could start with the high-priority places: South Sudan, Haiti, Cote d'Ivoire, etc.
    Perhaps the South Sudan is your priority but it is obviously not a high priority to others. And if there were troops send to the South Sudan there'd be questions asked about why they don't do something about the murderous dictator in Libya.

    Heck I'd be happy with even some short-term planning. I don't see any indication that any of the NATO forces have given the slightest thought to what the mission is. None of them can bring themselves to say that their goal is to depose Gaddafi, even though it obviously is. The mission creep has already begun, with a no-fly zone turning into air strikes.
    I doubt anyone is too clear on what the motives are or what the long term planning might be. It s a war being fought by a political committee who feel they have to do something, so they started letting the bombs fly, which is the easy. Apart from that they remain confused.
    I agree about the long term planning though. In the long term, even if the campaign is successful, I see no reason to expect the successor government to be a huge improvement over Gaddafi. We have no idea who we're even allying with, and it's quite possible that we'll come to regret that decision a few years down the road.
    Right. They have no idea at all, nor do we. Are they 'nation building'? Will Gadaffi remain in power if he says he'll be good? And, like you say, who or what will take his place? The Arab League appears to hold more influence than they should, and the same holds true of the corrupt UN. Anything can happen if the West follows the dictates of those guys.

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    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

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    Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. But the comparison has been made, and I'm simply pointing out the differences.
    Well BHO appears to be repeating history, all right, but perhaps its time to turn the page.

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    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    No matter how many billions we dump into the Middle East and no matter how many young Americans die fighting for them we will always be infidels to them.

    I really question if we have a vested interest in running into Libya. Do we oust Gaddafi only to have someone else step up into his position and then curse us?
    That's why everyone needs to wake up and realize that we actually are at war with Islam.

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    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

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    That's why everyone needs to wake up and realize that we actually are at war with Islam.
    Perfect example of the kind of ignorance that fuels distrust of America in the Middle East, and makes Arabs assume the worst about any humanitarian goals we might have in Libya.
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    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The point is that every soldier we commit to this is one soldier less that we could commit somewhere else. There are other places where there are human rights tragedies, where our help would actually be appreciated, and where we'd have a far higher chance of success. If we're going to get involved in military intervention for altruistic reasons, we could start with the high-priority places: South Sudan, Haiti, Cote d'Ivoire, etc.



    Heck I'd be happy with even some short-term planning. I don't see any indication that any of the NATO commanders have given the slightest thought to what the mission is. None of them can bring themselves to say that their goal is to depose Gaddafi, even though it obviously is. The mission creep has already begun, with a no-fly zone turning into air strikes.

    I agree about the long term planning though. In the long term, even if the campaign is successful, I see no reason to expect the successor government to be a huge improvement over Gaddafi. We have no idea who we're even allying with, and it's quite possible that we'll come to regret that decision a few years down the road.
    That's because the mission can only be defined one way: pound the enemy into submission and takeover the country.

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    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Perfect example of the kind of ignorance that fuels distrust of America in the Middle East, and makes Arabs assume the worst about any humanitarian goals we might have in Libya.
    ^^^^ Example of the kind of ignorance that allows the Islamists to continue to have the upper hand in the propaganda war.

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    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's because the mission can only be defined one way: pound the enemy into submission and takeover the country.
    Why do we need to take over the country? Why is Gaddafi suddenly our enemy again? Where are we going to get the troops and money for an invasion? What about our experience in Iraq or Afghanistan makes you think that an occupation of yet another Muslim country would go well? What makes you think that "pounding the enemy into submission and taking over the country" would be helpful from a humanitarian perspective? And what makes you think that the successor government would be any better than Gaddafi?
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    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    ^^^^ Example of the kind of ignorance that allows the Islamists to continue to have the upper hand in the propaganda war.
    FYI: Gaddafi is a secular dictator who is about as far away from Islamism as any leader in the Arab world. Please educate yourself before you spout off such ridiculous garbage.
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    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
    us casualties in OBAMA'S WAR are up 400% since he was inaugurated

    iCasualties: Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom Casualties

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    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post

    Wow, that took all of 24 hours. But I'm sure we'll be greeted with flowers and parades when we liberate the crap out of Libya.
    That's odd ... wasn't it the Arab League of Nations which called for a no-fly zone? Now that one is being administered, they condemn it?

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