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    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

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    AGI News On - LIBYA: WEBSITE, GADDAFI'S SON KILLED BY A SUICIDE-BOMBER


    Last time Gaddafi lost family members he changed his ways. He'll probably fight on though, too much money at stake. Does anyone know where Hosni Mubarak is now?
    I think I saw him at the Wal-Mart earlier.

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    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    No, they knew that, its just that the coalition is bombing Libyan tanks, see here as well.

    Edit: Although, this does bring up the hypocrisy of the US and its allies, how they are willing to aid Libyan rebels, but not protesters in Bahrain or Yemen.
    Bahrain and Yemen are too close to the House of Saud. Hence the need for regional change and a new energy source. We are tied hopelessly to allowing for the protection of the heart of the of the Sunni tribe until then.
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    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    They knew exactly that a no fly zone requires taking out air defenses that could target enforcement. They want their proverbial cake and to eat it, too. They adopted a declaration in favor of a no fly zone. They took no substantive measures whatsoever to enforce it e.g., sent no planes. Now that the Coalition has largely degraded Libya's air defenses, tactics that the Arab League is complaining about, the Arab League is willing to send some planes. In other words, now that others have borne the risks associated with making a no fly zone possible--efforts that the Arab League has criticized--the Arab League is willing to participate.

    In reality, words are cheap. The Arab League's lack of enforcement following its declaration of a no fly zone was revealing. It actions did not match its words. Had Western forces chosen not to participate, I have no doubt that the Arab League would still be sitting on the sidelines, having provided nothing but a hollow no fly zone declaration. A similar situation would have prevailed had the Gadhafi regime been permitted to maintain robust air defense capabilities.
    The Arab League is a bunch of liars. The Royal leadership of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc. have enough power to stop any war they want. They won't because they secretly support the US since the US's appetite for oil and American investment opportunities is what makes them rich.

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    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27
    Muslim brothers will ALWAYS stick with other muslim brothers and sisters


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    Nothing but anti-Muslim rhetoric right here.
    No, he is hinting at the truth. I would throw in "tribal" in front of "Muslim brothers and sisters" for more accuracy. It is historical, whether it makes you uncomfortable or not.

    The tribe always stickes together....

    1) They condemn Saddam Hussein's actions into Kuwait, yet insist that he be allowed to maintain his control over Baghdad (important religious city to Islam).

    2) Saddam Hussein himself bombs Israel as the world sits on his door step in order to appeal to the religious for support, for which they praised him (as well as his paid insurance policies for suicide bombers). A secular dictator appealing to the religious for support? He knew the hatreds within his region.

    3) Sunni leadership condemned Hussein's treatment of Muslims in Iraq for twelve years, yet sent in their radical youth from all over the region to murder Muslim Shia and coalition forces after he is removed.

    4) Mubarak accuses the outside of meddling with Muslims in a hopes to churn up radical support for his throne.

    5) Gudaffi labels us "crusaders," which is a plea to the radical base and a throwback term for religious war. (Notice the dictator trend of desparation?)

    6) Al-Jazeera barely noticed the Muslim slaughter in Sudan by a Sunni dictator. I guess the Sunni tribe didn't want the publicity.


    The point here is that they always look towards the tribe to ultimately set aside morality against what has become the traditional scapegoat. Thereby, sticking together in a crisis. The Muslim Brotherhood, despite being amongst bad borders and throughout he region, does stick together whenever they need. Their struggle along the way has appeared to be about de-conflicting or balancing good morality, Islam's truer prescriptions, and image with their attempts to unite the people under the common uneducated hate, remain in power, and diversion tactics. The only time they are at each other's throats is when they need to re-establish tribal authoriy against other Muslims (which is a sin within Islam, making them their own ultimate enemy of "God").
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    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshabar View Post
    Talking out both sides of their mouths. Like Obama the Arabs want it both ways, all ways.
    And they think long term while western leaders only concern themselves with election cycles.

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    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Wow, that took all of 24 hours. But I'm sure we'll be greeted with flowers and parades when we liberate the crap out of Libya.
    At least no one in the administration is claiming such silliness. That was a Bush admiinstration thing.

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    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Maybe its just me, but I have this sneaking suspicion that the Arab League is ok with it in secret, but not ok with it in public due to public relations concerns with their populations. Of course I have no evidence, its just a feeling.

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    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Maybe its just me, but I have this sneaking suspicion that the Arab League is ok with it in secret, but not ok with it in public due to public relations concerns with their populations. Of course I have no evidence, its just a feeling.
    Neither do I either way. But it would be a nice change if they supported action by someone to stop the killing.

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    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    No, they knew that, its just that the coalition is bombing Libyan tanks, see here as well.
    The Arab League knew that the language of UNSC Res. 1973 was sufficiently broad to allow for such attacks. The Arab League did not object to the UN resolution. AFP reported:

    "We are commmitted to UN Security Council Resolution 1973, we have no objection to this decision, particularly as it does not call for an invasion of Libyan territory," Mussa told a press conference with the UN chief.

    The Arab League's current position is not a legitimate objection to an unexpected outcome. It is merely a position that reveals how hollow the Arab League's initial declaration was.

    FWIW, a no fly zone was not my preference (I favored shipments of arms to the anti-Gadhafi forces) though a no fly zone is at the limit of what I would support. Having said that, when the UN adopted its broader resolution, I knew exactly what it entailed. Given its language, the targeting is no surprise whatsoever. It is entirely consistent with the broad mandate approved by the UN Security Council. The Arab League's complaints are not credible. It seeks credit for hollow declarations while being unwilling to accept accountability, much less risk, for its choices.

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    Re: Arab League condemns broad bombing campaign in Libya

    The whining is not coming from the entire league, but the Secretary of the Arab league, who is an Egyptian politician seeking election as the replacement President for the detested western-supported Mubarak. Could he be looking to capture some anti-western votes, ya think?
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