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U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

Grant said:
It still bombing another country, its leader, its people, its government, and a fellow member of the UN.
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I'm with you brother, let's stop bombing countries everywhere. And let's stop our military occupations around the globe. Will save us a ****load of money. Bring 'em all home!
 
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Catawba said:
I'm with you brother, let's stop bombing countries everywhere. And let's stop our military occupations around the globe. Will save us a ****load of money. Bring 'em all home!
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They'll need job, you have any?
 
Councilman said:
On the surface this may seem like a good idea, and I agree Gadhafi needs to go the way Great Auk , however in the first 24 hours the Missiles cost us tax payers over $100 million.

Then we lost an F-15 Strike Eagle to mechanical problems at a cost of $31.1 million.

The thing is that is $131.1 Million and does not include the cost of fuel and the bombs used to attack ground targets which has got to be way into the Millions of Dollars. The laser guidance package Production unit cost, Air Force: $23700. Navy: $26100 this is on top of the cost of the bombs these are added to.

Frankly we can't afford this with no chance of return on investment. Libya is not in the top 20 nations we get oil from, so even with luck we get no benefit there.

I have to believe it would have been more efficient to put a hit on Gadhafi.
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Good points all Councilman but IMO the return is another free and peaceful country in the world community.

If we fail in Libya, and Gaddafi stays or jihadis take over, it was still worth the effort IMO.

Hopefully the Libyan people will want to end the tyranical nature of their government in favor of democratic process of their choosing.
 
Ron Mars said:
Good points all Councilman but IMO the return is another free and peaceful country in the world community.

If we fail in Libya, and Gaddafi stays or jihadis take over, it was still worth the effort IMO.

Hopefully the Libyan people will want to end the tyranical nature of their government in favor of democratic process of their choosing.
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Yes, it's called the Muslim Brotherhood.


j-mac
 
hillary (who announced two weeks ago she would not be returning, she just can't take it anymore, all the amateurs and lack of professionalism) on abc and nbc yesterday conceded that congress indeed is entitled to answers to the obvious questions concerning our rather rash rush into libya

so obama's going on primetime tonite to EXPLAIN

you don't want to miss it, it should be fascinating, he's scheduled from the oval office (i presume) at 7:30 eastern

look for answers to questions aware americans anticipate:

1. days, not weeks?

2. get gadaffi or not?

3. regime change?

4. how much us investment in this "nato operation?"

5. what's the chain of command?

6. what are the anticipated costs and payfor?

7. when and how will congress be consulted?

8. how's this all fit into the broader middle east?

9. exactly who are these rebels we're aiding and will we be arming them?

10. and the biggie---NATION BUILDING?

what can he possibly say?

how much can he credibly avoid?

stay tuned

tonite is gonna be HUGE
 
The Prof said:
hillary (who announced two weeks ago she would not be returning, she just can't take it anymore, all the amateurs and lack of professionalism) on abc and nbc yesterday conceded that congress indeed is entitled to answers to the obvious questions concerning our rather rash rush into libya
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It's saying something that Hillary is one of the most trusted and respected members of 0bama's administration.

I hope this ends in Libya soon and hope the people who end up in power desire to live in peace.

A strong UN would go a long way to seeing that through.
 
Ron Mars said:
Bush did the same thing. He even went to Congress.
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Nope, the Iraq war was not a NATO action. And, US forces are the only military force still occupying Iraq today. The US is turning leadership of the Libya action to NATO on Wednesday. If Congress is opposed, they hold the purse strings. They can stop our participation at any time.
 
Ron Mars said:
It's saying something that Hillary is one of the most trusted and respected members of 0bama's administration.

I hope this ends in Libya soon and hope the people who end up in power desire to live in peace.

A strong UN would go a long way to seeing that through.
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RonMars, a strong UN is the last thing the world needs. It is corrupt and filled with dictatorships. A new world order, to coin a phrase, should only involve the democracies with the UN retaining only the despotic regimes.

It doesn't make sense that dictators should have vote a vote in the UN when their people don't have a vote anywhere. Dictatorships should be isolated.
 
Catawba said:
Nope, the Iraq war was not a NATO action.
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Bush went to the UN and to congress about Iraq. You can believe whatever fantasy you want.

And of course Iraq was not a NATO operation.

The reason Afghanistan is a NATO operation is that a NATO member nation was attacked.
 
Grant said:
RonMars, a strong UN is the last thing the world needs. It is corrupt and filled with dictatorships. A new world order, to coin a phrase, should only involve the democracies with the UN retaining only the despotic regimes.

It doesn't make sense that dictators should have vote a vote in the UN when their people don't have a vote anywhere. Dictatorships should be isolated.
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The UN hasn't always been weak and irrelevant.

I agree with your opinion about dictators only isolation is too good for them and does nothing for the people.
 
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Catawba said:
My son just left Iraq. 35,000 combat ready troops are still there to protect the new corrupt government we helped establish there.
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Here's wishing good luck to your son. His nation is proud of him.
 
Catawba said:
My son just left Iraq. 35,000 combat ready troops are still there to protect the new corrupt government we helped establish there.
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The US has troops in Germany as well as many other areas of the world but that does not mean that Germany, or Iraq, is "occupied". Naturally, you are attempting to put as much negative spin on the situation as possible, and that is to be expected from your politics, but it is still more honest to use the correct terms.
 
Ron Mars said:
Bush went to the UN and to congress about Iraq.
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But unlike with Libya, they never gave their vote of approval. And who remains the lone foreign military force in Iraq today?
 
Grant said:
The US has troops in Germany as well as many other areas of the world but that does not mean that Germany, or Iraq, is "occupied". Naturally, you are attempting to put as much negative spin on the situation as possible, and that is to be expected from your politics, but it is still more honest to use the correct terms.
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Germany's government can stand against its own people without military support. Iraq's cannot. And our invasion and occupation of Germany was due to a country attacking its neighbors. This was not the case with Iraq. They haven't had that capability since the Persian Gulf War.
 
U.S. deploys low-flying attack planes in Libya U.S. deploys low-flying attack planes in Libya - The Washington Post

The U.S. military dramatically stepped up its assault on Libyan government ground forces over the weekend, launching its first missions with AC-130 flying gunships and A-10 attack aircraft designed to strike enemy ground troops and supply convoys.
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Its not only Tomahawks....US involvement will get more pronounced and the consequences of these trends will be more treacherous

Lord! What a big mess
 
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