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U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

I knw what he said, I quoted what he said, and I asked for a link.

As you are now pleading his case, do you have a link?

I don't need a link to state the obvious. Which far right christians were opposed to our killing Muslims? Can you name any?
 
I want them to engage the enemy in combat, that's what I want. Otherwise, it's a sight seeing tour.

We've had quite enough warmongering during the last ten years. What are you so afraid of?
 
He said far-right Christians, and he was right on target. Both believe in killing for their religion.

That's like making the argument that a shot glass of salt water and the Pacific Ocean are equivalents.
 
That's like making the argument that a shot glass of salt water and the Pacific Ocean are equivalents.

I wasn't aware that a glass of salt water and the Pacific Ocean both feel the ends justify the means.
 
We know the American religious far right views diplomacy as weakness. Whether or not their Islamic cousins do so or not is less certain.

Religious cousins, what the hell are you talking about? And aren't you an atheist, so are you trying to put one religion up against another while staying outside with clean hands?
 
http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-mainstream-media/

Hmmmmmmmmmmm... are we going to hear the leftists call The One a "warmonger"?

Protest with Hitler signs?

[B]No War for Oil?[/B]

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What connections does Obama have to the oil or energy industry?
 
What connections does Obama have to the oil or energy industry?

He wants to take away their subsidies, so whatever relationship there is must be adversarial.
 
We've had quite enough warmongering during the last ten years. What are you so afraid of?

I've noticed you like to talk about the last ten years much more than you would face the tremendous cognitive dissonance the current situation must cause for you.

Welcome to THIS ten years! :2wave:
 
But those would infer such a thing would remarkably stupid, Solletica

Well, according to Whovian, all "reasonable" people would make such an inference. . .

Pretty sure most reasonable people would read Grant's comment as referring specifically to Islamic terrorists, not to ALL Islamic people.

even though your comment consisted of only the word "Islamist", not "Islamic terrorist."

And you agreed with him. So, by your assertion, you must believe that all the aforementioned reasonable people are remarkably stupid.



, and if we always have to take remarkably stupid people into account by explaining everything to them in the most simple words and greatest detail possible, it would take forever to write a post.

What's wrong with being "Islamophobic", by the way? You think Islam has something special going for it?

Being Islamophobic means being bigoted against Muslims, and there is definitely something wrong with that.

No religion has anything special going for it, but that fact doesn't bigotry against any religion, although you seem to think it does.
 
No, none of that. It's worst, he's a bumbling idiot.

Could have fooled me, since he knew to go about this the right way, getting approval from the UN and providing a supporting role so as not to continue to propagate the Arab view of the US as the great Satan, which only fuels creation of more terrorists and strenghens hardliner's case against the US.
 
I've noticed you like to talk about the last ten years much more than you would face the tremendous cognitive dissonance the current situation must cause for you.

Welcome to THIS ten years! :2wave:


"Those that refuse to learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them."
 
I don't need a link to state the obvious. Which far right christians were opposed to our killing Muslims? Can you name any?

You and your friend made claims you cannot support. There's no need for further comment.
 
I don't need a link to state the obvious. Which far right christians were opposed to our killing Muslims? Can you name any?

I can't speak for "far right" christians but every catholic priest I've ever spoken to about this oppose all wars no matter what their intended purpose.
 
"Being Islamophobic means being bigoted against Muslims, and there is definitely something wrong with that".

Apparently you do not understand what phobia means. Look it up and then comment.
 
Could have fooled me, since he knew to go about this the right way, getting approval from the UN and providing a supporting role so as not to continue to propagate the Arab view of the US as the great Satan, which only fuels creation of more terrorists and strenghens hardliner's case against the US.

And nevermind the thousands of Libyans that have been killed while 0bama sat on his hands waiting for political cover from the UN.

We still do not have a defined mission and 0bama today stated again that the US policy is that of regime change in Libya. He made no mention of how that was going to be accomplished.

BTW, it's time you brushed up on UN Resolution 1441.
 
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If you didn't understand the original post, why did you comment on it?

Islamists are those who would not hesitate to promote Islam through terrorism and who deny the rights of freedom of religion to others.

Hmm, the various definitions of Islamism and don't appear to have anything to do with terrorism or denying rights and freedom of religion to others. . .

"the belief that Islam should guide social and political as well as personal life",[9]
"the [Islamic] ideology that guides society as a whole and that [teaches] law must be in conformity with the Islamic sharia",[10]
an Islamic "movement that seeks cultural differentiation from the West and reconnection with the pre-colonial symbolic universe",[11]
"the organised political trend, owing its modern origin to the founding of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt in 1928, that seeks to solve modern political problems by reference to Muslim texts",[12]
"the whole body of thought which seeks to invest society with Islam which may be integrationist, but may also be traditionalist, reform-minded or even revolutionary",[12]
"the active assertion and promotion of beliefs, prescriptions, laws or policies that are held to be Islamic in character,"[4]
a movement of "Muslims who draw upon the belief, symbols, and language of Islam to inspire, shape, and animate political activity;" which may contain moderate, tolerant, peaceful activists, and/or those who "preach intolerance and espouse violence."[13]
a term "used by outsiders to denote a strand of activity which they think justifies their misconception of Islam as something rigid and immobile, a mere tribal affiliation."[8][14]

Islamism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You know of them, right?

What I know is that your "defintion" of Islamist appears inconsistent with that of the cited articles.

So where is your source that Islamism means terrorism? Please cite.

FYI, Bill O'Reilly is generally not considered an authoritative source.
 
Could have fooled me, since he knew to go about this the right way, getting approval from the UN and providing a supporting role so as not to continue to propagate the Arab view of the US as the great Satan, which only fuels creation of more terrorists and strenghens hardliner's case against the US.

Approval from the UN is certainly not required. Approval from Congress, for a lengthy engagement, is more highly desirable. Since we don't plan to have significant assets in play for long, Congressional approval probably wasn't needed. Since we aren't leading the effort, others countries, France, Britain and especially participation by Arab countries, a UN resolution makes perfect sense and was well done.

We'll see if the coalition can hold together.
 
"Being Islamophobic means being bigoted against Muslims, and there is definitely something wrong with that".

Apparently you do not understand what phobia means. Look it up and then comment.

Sure. . .

A phobia (from the Greek: φόβος,phóbos, meaning "fear" or "morbid fear") is an irrational, intense and persistent fear of certain situations, activities, things, animals, or people.

Phobia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So when you were asking "What's wrong with being Islamophobic?" you apparently meant "what's wrong with having an an irrational, intense and persistent fear of Muslims."

Thanks for allowing me to clarify that :)
 
Approval from the UN is certainly not required. Approval from Congress, for a lengthy engagement, is more highly desirable. Since we don't plan to have significant assets in play for long, Congressional approval probably wasn't needed. Since we aren't leading the effort, others countries, France, Britain and especially participation by Arab countries, a UN resolution makes perfect sense and was well done.

We'll see if the coalition can hold together.

Yeah... about that, its been limited to Qatari fighters and Egypt arming Libyan rebs
 
Despite all your puff and bluster you're still quite ignorant about jihadis.

OK, then please tell us what "jihad" means.

After all, you wouldn't all my "puff and bluster" getting in the way of the correct definitions.
 
Sure. . .



So when you were asking "What's wrong with being Islamophobic?" you apparently meant "what's wrong with having an an irrational, intense and persistent fear of Muslims."

Thanks for allowing me to clarify that :)

An honorable warrior fights other warriors. He does not deliberately target civilians for the purpose of creating terror as a means of political change. That's why we call them terrorists instead of guerilla.

Muslim terrorists attack unarmed civilians because they traditionally lose more than they win when they attack armed soldiers. They are cowards.
 
I don't need a link to state the obvious. Which far right christians were opposed to our killing Muslims? Can you name any?

Do you mean right wing evangelicals in general, or the one dimensional bigoted cartoon-like caricature I am beginning to believe you hold in your own mind?

Love Your Muslim as Yourself | Christianity Today | A Magazine of Evangelical Conviction
Peacemakers Seek to Show War from Point of View of Iraqi Civilians | Christianity Today | A Magazine of Evangelical Conviction
"Weblog: Will War Breed Hate Crimes Against Muslims, Christians, or Both?" | Christianity Today | A Magazine of Evangelical Conviction

Many Christians and non believers alike are in favor of the war(s). Few people of any stripe just want to "kill Muslims".

And many believers would like to see the wars end.

But I have no doubt you'll have a hard time giving up the drug of hating those you don't understand. A bit ironic in light of your argument don't you think?
 
And nevermind the thousands of Libyans that have been killed while 0bama sat on his hands waiting for political cover from the UN.


People die in civil wars. Look at our own civil war.
 
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