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U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

zimmer said:
WRONG.
Casus belli is the justification for going to war. Dropping 112 bombs on a nation in an act of aggression is war.

Using your logic, the entire aggressive act of Gulf War II was casus belli, and any war for that matter.

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Jesus, go learn what the term state of war means in relation to the numerous international conventions in place today.

Again, using your logic we were at war with Japan on December 7, 1941. That is historically inaccurate and plainly false. A state of war exists when there are formal declarations of war. Have you read any? Please provide evidence that the US Congress has declared war on Libya or vice versa.

Of course, you'll just continue to play your silly semantic game in hopes of actually appearing intellectual.
 
Grant said:
Could you please provide a link where the Iraqi people have sought an apology?

They were pro-rape rooms and genocide??
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Most of the genocide in Iraq happened when we supported and aided Saddam and had Iraq removed from the list of terrorist nations. We even provided the precurser needed for the mustard gas he used for genocide.

And I think Iraq's demand that we remove all troops by the end of this year is a clear indication of their appreciation.
 
NOTICE:

This no-fly zone is to protect civilians not to topple Gaddafi, whether it be directly or indirectly. Here is the UNSC's resolution (in full-text).
 
reefedjib said:
Christ, will you people never learn? They are 3000 lb guided missiles, not rockets or bombs.
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They are finely wrapped, aerodynamic, high speed gifts of American technology. I think that's how the Libs will start explaining them.

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Degreez said:
Jesus, go learn what the term state of war means in relation to the numerous international conventions in place today.

Again, using your logic we were at war with Japan on December 7, 1941. That is historically inaccurate and plainly false. A state of war exists when there are formal declarations of war. Have you read any? Please provide evidence that the US Congress has declared war on Libya or vice versa.

Of course, you'll just continue to play your silly semantic game in hopes of actually appearing intellectual.
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You do recall the Japanese did not declare war on us until after Pearl Harbor... do you not? Like we needed their declaration then.

According to your logic, that meant the Japanese action at Pearl Harbor was not an act of war but casus belli, and as I noted... you gave a false meaning for the term.

Try, try again.

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The Only Thing that needs to be done is to send a bill to the United Nations for the full cost of every missile launched and every man hour involved in this supposed Humanitarian Effort that would not be neccessary if it were not for a prompting of REVOLT from the leftests in the first place. How's that DEMOCRACY movement working out for ya right now? Not wanting to take any responsibility for the lives that will be lost in this movement began by Socialists? Where are the cries, NO BLOOD FOR OIL? Now its a HUMANITARIN act when the left decides to HELP a nation that is one of the richest oil producers in the world. Question? Where was the lobbying for the protesters in IRAN and demand for a change in government? Are the Lybian's more deserving of the US's "humanitarian bombs"?
 
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Walter said:
The Only Thing that needs to be done is to send a bill to the United Nations for the full cost of every missile launched and every man hour involved in this supposed Humanitarian Effort that would not be neccessary if it were not for a prompting of REVOLT from the leftests in the first place. How's that DEMOCRACY movement working out for ya right now? Not wanting to take any responsibility for the lives that will be lost in this movement began by Socialists?
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What in God's name are you talking about?

It was a people's revolution, everyone was involved.

What the hell is wrong with you?
 
Catawba said:
Most of the genocide in Iraq happened when we supported and aided Saddam and had Iraq removed from the list of terrorist nations. We even provided the precurser needed for the mustard gas he used for genocide.

And I think Iraq's demand that we remove all troops by the end of this year is a clear indication of their appreciation.
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So the United States was responsible for the genocide in Iraq, not Saddam Hussein?

And you think that requesting the removal of troops years after the war has been concluded, and democracy in place, is the same thing as demanding an apology? Is that your well thought out analysis?
 
Walter said:
The Only Thing that needs to be done is to send a bill to the United Nations for the full cost of every missile launched and every man hour involved in this supposed Humanitarian Effort that would not be neccessary if it were not for a prompting of REVOLT from the leftests in the first place. How's that DEMOCRACY movement working out for ya right now? Not wanting to take any responsibility for the lives that will be lost in this movement began by Socialists? Where are the cries, NO BLOOD FOR OIL? Now its a HUMANITARIN act when the left decides to HELP a nation that is one of the richest oil producers in the world. Question? Where was the lobbying for the protesters in IRAN and demand for a change in government? Are the Lybian's more deserving of the US's "humanitarian bombs"?
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Agree with almost all, the only problem with billing the UN is we would in essence be billing ourselves.

"humanitarian Bombs"... LOL...

Lib Evolution:
2003: Warmonger... etc...
2011: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb

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zimmer said:
You do recall the Japanese did not declare war on us until after Pearl Harbor... do you not? Like we needed their declaration then.

According to your logic, that meant the Japanese action at Pearl Harbor was not an act of war but casus belli, and as I noted... you gave a false meaning for the term.

Try, try again.

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That's the whole point of my argument, or do you fail to comprehend such a simple concept?

We were not at war with Japan until we DECLARED WAR on them. They were not at war with the US until after that. There act of aggression was not war, it was a cause for war. But ignore all historical relevance of this and keep on spewing rhetoric such as America is at war with Libya. :roll:
 
zimmer said:
Agree with almost all, the only problem with billing the UN is we would in essence be billing ourselves.

"humanitarian Bombs"... LOL...

Lib Evolution:
2003: Warmonger... etc...
2011: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb

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Do you even know what How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb is about?

Hint: It has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

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zimmer said:
1. You folks complained Bush 41 didn't go all the way to Baghdad. He should have but the UN Res didn't permit it. What happened? Saddam cleansed those who tried to overthrow him. Where were you Libs then?
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Bush 41 urged the Shia to rise up and take down Saddam, they figured Bush would help them, but the U.S. wasn't there. Saddam mowed them down with gunships from the U.S. The Secretary of Defence, Richard Cheney, said the reason they didn't go to Baghdad was because - get this - it would be a quagmire.


 
Grant said:
So the United States was responsible for the genocide in Iraq, not Saddam Hussein?
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We could not say we didn't have a part in it. If you aid and abet a dictator in genocide, do you not bear some responsibility?

And you think that requesting the removal of troops years after the war has been concluded, and democracy in place, is the same thing as demanding an apology? Is that your well thought out analysis?
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We don't know if the corrupt government we helped set up there can even stand on its own after our occupation forces are withdrawn that are propping it up, much less what kind of government will be in place after their civil war. I think the ones that didn't think this through were the ones that planned the invasion of a country that was of no threat to us.
 
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Degreez said:
That's the whole point of my argument, or do you fail to comprehend such a simple concept?

We were not at war with Japan until we DECLARED WAR on them. They were not at war with the US until after that. There act of aggression was not war, it was a cause for war. But ignore all historical relevance of this and keep on spewing rhetoric such as America is at war with Libya. :roll:
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LOL... their bombing was an act of war... you do not need a slip of paper to make it so. Their strike was pre-emptive. America is in War No. 3.

And will you admit to the class that casus belli is the justification for war; the selling of it to the public to gain support.


Mr. Invisible said:
Do you even know what How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb is about?

Hint: It has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

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One of my favorite flicks, and Clockwork Orange too.

The title of the flick was perfectly worded for the task at hand... how the Libs are so malleable, and how they have come to love the bomb.


reefedjib said:
The Libyan War of 2011 | STRATFOR
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I do believe these folks did not get the memo from Degreez that this is not a war.

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Degreez said:
That's the whole point of my argument, or do you fail to comprehend such a simple concept?

We were not at war with Japan until we DECLARED WAR on them. They were not at war with the US until after that. There act of aggression was not war, it was a cause for war. But ignore all historical relevance of this and keep on spewing rhetoric such as America is at war with Libya. :roll:
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The Japanese committed an act of war. What on earth are you talking about??

And I can assure you that if another country were to start shooting our planes out of the air in any nation on earth, well, that'd be an act of war as well.
 
Catawba said:
Most of the genocide in Iraq happened when we supported and aided Saddam and had Iraq removed from the list of terrorist nations. We even provided the precurser needed for the mustard gas he used for genocide.
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"most"? :rofl

And I think Iraq's demand that we remove all troops by the end of this year is a clear indication of their appreciation.
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Kinda like when de Gaul kicked the U.S. out of France? Or, when France wouldn't let U.S. bombers fly through French airspace to bomb Qadaffi? :lamo

How ironic is that?
 
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zimmer said:
LOL... their bombing was an act of war... you do not need a slip of paper to make it so. Their strike was pre-emptive. America is in War No. 3.

And will you admit to the class that casus belli is the justification for war; the selling of it to the public to gain support.



One of my favorite flicks, and Clockwork Orange too.

The title of the flick was perfectly worded for the task at hand... how the Libs are so malleable, and how they have come to love the bomb.



I do believe these folks did not get the memo from Degreez that this is not a war.

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"The bomb" refers to the atomic bomb and in the context of nuclear warfare. Please prove that liberals are fans of nuclear weapons and nuclear warfare.

Also Clockwork Orange was a great film. ;)
 
reefedjib said:
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Hmmm, if no American troops are to be inserted onto the battlefield, whay are there amphibious units in the AO?

Also, it sure is a good thing we have those bases in Europe that we placed there after WW2.
 
apdst said:
Hmmm, if no American troops are to be inserted onto the battlefield, whay are there amphibious units in the AO?

Also, it sure is a good thing we have those bases in Europe that we placed there after WW2.
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I was wondering the same thing. Contingency I suppose.

Sure is a good thing.... :)
 
Mr. Invisible said:
"The bomb" refers to the atomic bomb and in the context of nuclear warfare. Please prove that liberals are fans of nuclear weapons and nuclear warfare.

Also Clockwork Orange was a great film. ;)
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Yes... for that flick it does... I've watched it many times and the last minutes of the then joint chiefs is incredibly funny, as is Dr. Strangelove's battle with himself, and his final line was off the charts hilarious... Mein Fuehrer... I can walk. Now, for my usage it refers to the "humanitarian bombs" were are delivering to Libya. You see, I'm not constrained by old usages.

Dr. Strangelove's battle with himself is similar to the Libs and their new found love of the bomb, and war.

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apdst said:
Also, it sure is a good thing we have those bases in Europe that we placed there after WW2.
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Because the rest of the world could not contain the threat from Khadafi to his people without the US bases in Europe???
 
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