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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Islamic nations in the ME and North Africa at least are tribal at heart. They want someone strong at the top who is going to make things run smoothly. The revolutions happen when the guy at the top ****s up and the people at the bottom have problems with their basic needs. Keep the food, energy and housing prices reasonable and they'll generally put up with other ****. Keep them secure. Only a minority really wants a democracy, a true democracy. The rest want someone strong at the top who will make sure those needs get met.
    If that's what they choose and it's free and peaceful it's a win. It's their choice. Let's hope they choose better than the Palestinians.

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    Ah, don't confuse Central and South America with the ME. Western nations have totally different mindsets and history. Democratic republics can work in western nations, even if they are "banana republics".
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    USA supported dictators:

    "Abacha, General Sani - Nigeria
    Amin, Idi - Uganda
    Banzer, Colonel Hugo - Bolivia
    Batista, Fulgencio - Cuba
    Bolkiah, Sir Hassanal - Brunei
    Botha, P.W. - South Africa
    Branco, General Humberto - Brazil
    Cedras, Raoul - Haiti
    Cerezo, Vinicio - Guatemala
    Chiang Kai-Shek - Taiwan
    Cordova, Roberto Suazo - Honduras
    Christiani, Alfredo - El Salvador
    Diem, Ngo Dihn - Vietnam
    Doe, General Samuel - Liberia
    Duvalier, Francois - Haiti
    Duvalier, Jean Claude - Haiti
    Fahd bin'Abdul-'Aziz, King - Saudi Arabia
    Franco, General Francisco - Spain
    Hitler, Adolf - Germany
    Hassan II - Morocco
    Marcos, Ferdinand - Philippines
    Martinez, General Maximiliano - El Salvador
    Mobutu Sese Seko - Zaire
    Noriega, General Manuel - Panama
    Ozal, Turgut - Turkey
    Pahlevi, Shah Mohammed Reza - Iran
    Papadopoulos, George - Greece
    Park Chung Hee - South Korea
    Pinochet, General Augusto - Chile
    Pol Pot - Cambodia
    Rabuka, General Sitiveni - Fiji
    Montt, General Efrain Rios - Guatemala
    Salassie, Halie - Ethiopia
    Salazar, Antonio de Oliveira - Portugal
    Somoza, Anastasio Jr. - Nicaragua
    Somoza, Anastasio, Sr. - Nicaragua
    Smith, Ian - Rhodesia
    Stroessner, Alfredo - Paraguay
    Suharto, General - Indonesia
    Trujillo, Rafael Leonidas - Dominican Republic
    Videla, General Jorge Rafael - Argentina
    Zia Ul-Haq, Mohammed - Pakistan"
    USA Supported Dictators
    hell, cat

    that's only 42
    its not like we do it a lot
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    If that's what they choose and it's free and peaceful it's a win. It's their choice. Let's hope they choose better than the Palestinians.
    Lets hope...lord

    You gotta go back to history. Past performance is the best indicator of future performance. You may decry the history as short, but that's all we've got. And it has been remarkably consistent across the Middle East, southwest Asia and North Africa. We may not have hundreds of years of history in one nation, but we do amongst the dozen or more countries in that region. So again I say that your hope for a good result out of the chaos in Libya is a forlorn hope. And if you think Libya would be in better shape today with some other tribal sect in charge, then you are speculating without a shred of evidence to support it. If Omar hadn't assumed, and kept power, some other Colonel or General would have. And we'd have made deals with him or he'd have remained a Soviet client and followed their agenda

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Why? thats not what you said:


    You then asked why I don't "support America", meaning, directly in response to my post that you think US peacekeepers, IE our troops and veterans are war criminals....


    So I ask you again, are you calling us war criminals?

    I said nothing about the troops being war crimminals. My point, as I stated, was that the US has been supporting dictators all through history that are inhumane crimminals.

    Then another poster wanted a list of the dictators the US has supported,

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Actually that's not the way it works, Catawba.

    When you make claims it's up to you to support those claims.
    Catawba - Review the dictators the US has supported.
    which I provided (a list of 42).
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    The United States supported Franco? That's a new one on me.

    I like how you threw Batista in there. He was dipposed by Castro. That was a huge improvement for the Cubans.

    Pol Pot? The United States supported Pol Pot? Where the hell did you come up with this crazy ass list?? Did you even bother to read it, before you posted it? Or, did you dig it up on some kook fringe Libbo website and just run with it?

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Pol Pot? The United States supported Pol Pot? Where the hell did you come up with this crazy ass list?? Did you even bother to read it, before you posted it? Or, did you dig it up on some kook fringe Libbo website and just run with it?
    Err... we did... We gave over $5 million in direct aid to the KPNLF in the 1980's.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

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    The United States supported Franco? That's a new one on me.

    I like how you threw Batista in there. He was dipposed by Castro. That was a huge improvement for the Cubans.

    Pol Pot? The United States supported Pol Pot? Where the hell did you come up with this crazy ass list?? Did you even bother to read it, before you posted it? Or, did you dig it up on some kook fringe Libbo website and just run with it?
    "A number of prominent and wealthy American businessmen helped to support fascist regimes in Europe from the 1920s through the 1940s. These people helped to support Francisco Franco during the Spanish Civil War of 1936, as well as Benito Mussolini, and Adolph Hitler.

    Some of the primary and more famous Americans and companies that were involved with the fascist regimes of Europe are: William Randolph Hearst, Joseph Kennedy (JFK's father), Charles Lindbergh, John Rockefeller, Andrew Mellon (head of Alcoa, banker, and Secretary of Treasury), DuPont, General Motors, Standard Oil (now Exxon), Ford, ITT, Allen Dulles (later head of the CIA), Prescott Bush, National City Bank, and General Electric."
    American supporters of the European Fascists

    "As the United States became increasingly concerned with the Soviet threat following the fall of Czechoslovakia, the Berlin blockade in 1948, and the outbreak of the Korean War in 1950, United States policy makers also began to recognize the strategic importance of the Iberian Peninsula; furthermore, they realized that ostracism had failed and that the Franco regime was stronger than ever. The United States government took steps to normalize its political and economic relations with Spain in the years 1948-50. In September 1950, President Truman signed a bill that appropriated US$62.5 million for aid to Spain. In the same year, the United States supported a UN resolution lifting the boycott on Franco's regime and resumed full diplomatic relations with Spain in 1951."

    "The Pact of Madrid, signed shortly after the Concordat, further symbolized the Spanish regime's rehabilitation. It also marked the end of Spanish neutrality. The Pact consisted of three separate, but interdependent, agreements between Spain and the United States. It provided for mutual defense, for military aid to Spain, and for the construction of bases there. The United States was to use these bases for a renewable ten-year period, but the bases remained under Spanish sovereignty. Although the pact did not constitute a full-fledged military alliance, it did commit the United States to support Spain's defense efforts; furthermore, it provided Spain with much-needed economic assistance. During the first ten years of the Pact of Madrid, the United States sent approximately US$1.5 billion in all kinds of aid to Spain. "
    Spain - Foreign Policy under Franco

    "Batista joined the army in 1921 and held the rank of sergeant when he joined in a military coup against the liberal President Machado – known as the ‘Revolt of the Sergeants’ – in September 1933. His credibility was sealed when the US ambassador to Cuba, Benjamin Welles, told Batista that he was the only man in Cuba who held any form of “personal authority”. Welles also made it clear to Batista that America had no intention of interfering in internal Cuban affairs and that what he did within the island was entirely a concern of the Cuban people. To Batista this appeared to be a green light to rule as he wished to. On January 19th 1934, America recognised the new government of Cuba."

    "He continued to build up his support with the USA and in 1944 he introduced war taxes to help America pay for her war effort."
    Fulgencio Batista
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Botha, P.W. - South Africa
    Ah...

    Botha, while in charge of a brutally repressive system, was not a dictator so much

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Lets hope...lord
    Yeah, I hope it turns out well for the Libyans. Right now it doesn't look good.

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    You gotta go back to history.
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "A number of prominent and wealthy American businessmen helped to support fascist regimes in Europe from the 1920s through the 1940s. These people helped to support Francisco Franco during the Spanish Civil War of 1936, as well as Benito Mussolini, and Adolph Hitler.

    Some of the primary and more famous Americans and companies that were involved with the fascist regimes of Europe are: William Randolph Hearst, Joseph Kennedy (JFK's father), Charles Lindbergh, John Rockefeller, Andrew Mellon (head of Alcoa, banker, and Secretary of Treasury), DuPont, General Motors, Standard Oil (now Exxon), Ford, ITT, Allen Dulles (later head of the CIA), Prescott Bush, National City Bank, and General Electric."
    American supporters of the European Fascists

    "As the United States became increasingly concerned with the Soviet threat following the fall of Czechoslovakia, the Berlin blockade in 1948, and the outbreak of the Korean War in 1950, United States policy makers also began to recognize the strategic importance of the Iberian Peninsula; furthermore, they realized that ostracism had failed and that the Franco regime was stronger than ever. The United States government took steps to normalize its political and economic relations with Spain in the years 1948-50. In September 1950, President Truman signed a bill that appropriated US$62.5 million for aid to Spain. In the same year, the United States supported a UN resolution lifting the boycott on Franco's regime and resumed full diplomatic relations with Spain in 1951."

    "The Pact of Madrid, signed shortly after the Concordat, further symbolized the Spanish regime's rehabilitation. It also marked the end of Spanish neutrality. The Pact consisted of three separate, but interdependent, agreements between Spain and the United States. It provided for mutual defense, for military aid to Spain, and for the construction of bases there. The United States was to use these bases for a renewable ten-year period, but the bases remained under Spanish sovereignty. Although the pact did not constitute a full-fledged military alliance, it did commit the United States to support Spain's defense efforts; furthermore, it provided Spain with much-needed economic assistance. During the first ten years of the Pact of Madrid, the United States sent approximately US$1.5 billion in all kinds of aid to Spain. "
    Spain - Foreign Policy under Franco

    "Batista joined the army in 1921 and held the rank of sergeant when he joined in a military coup against the liberal President Machado – known as the ‘Revolt of the Sergeants’ – in September 1933. His credibility was sealed when the US ambassador to Cuba, Benjamin Welles, told Batista that he was the only man in Cuba who held any form of “personal authority”. Welles also made it clear to Batista that America had no intention of interfering in internal Cuban affairs and that what he did within the island was entirely a concern of the Cuban people. To Batista this appeared to be a green light to rule as he wished to. On January 19th 1934, America recognised the new government of Cuba."

    "He continued to build up his support with the USA and in 1944 he introduced war taxes to help America pay for her war effort."
    Fulgencio Batista

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