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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

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    That's pretty much the case with any civil war in the middle east that we take sides in, isn't it? Even ones in which we spend over a trillion dollars and sacrifice tens of thousands of lives.
    That's a fair assesment.
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    ‘Freelance jihadists’ join Libyan rebels: Ex-al Qaeda member speaks out
    'Freelance jihadists' join Libyan rebels - Washington Times

    Libya: Arab revolts a boost for al-Qaeda says terrorist leader
    Libya: Arab revolts a boost for al-Qaeda says terrorist leader - Telegraph

    Libyan rebels flee east from Gaddafi bombardment
    Libyan rebels flee east from Gaddafi bombardment | Reuters
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Top Libyan minister defects to the U.K.

    (CBS/AP)

    "LONDON - Britain's Foreign Office says Libya's Foreign Minister Moussa Koussa has arrived in the UK and is resigning from his post.

    The Foreign Office says in a statement Wednesday Moussa arrived from Tunisia, and that he traveled here under his own free will.

    The statement says: "He has told us that he is resigning his post."

    It was not immediately possible to confirm the statement with Moussa or people close to him.

    "He has defected from the regime," Noman Benotman, a friend and senior analyst at Britain's Quilliam think tank, told Reuters. "He wasn't happy at all. He doesn't support the government attacks on civilians."

    Koussa was one of Muammar Qaddafi's key officials and the architect of a dramatic shift in Libya's foreign policy that brought the country back to the international community after years of sanctions, Reuters reports."
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    today:

    The second-ranking official in the State Department is leaving Foggy Bottom to return to academia, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton announced Wednesday.

    James Steinberg, the deputy secretary of state, will leave the department soon for an academic post at Syracuse University, Clinton said.

    Steinberg has long been said to be unhappy at the department, and thought to be more an ally of President Barack Obama than of Clinton. In a letter announcing his departure, though, Clinton was gracious. “On every foreign policy challenge, big and small, he has helped formulate our policy and oversee its execution,” she wrote to colleagues, in a letter quoted by ABC News.

    Steinberg’s is the second high-profile departure from State since the beginning of March. Assistant Secretary of State for Public Affairs P.J. Crowley resigned two weeks ago after his comments calling the treatment of alleged Army leaker Bradley Manning “ridiculous and counterproductive and stupid” became public.
    Hillary Clinton?s No. 2 at State steps down - Jennifer Epstein - POLITICO.com

    the state dept is in disarray

    crowley was reportedly close to hillary

    ms clinton two weeks ago brusquely informed wolf blitzer she was LEAVING

    "pushed over the edge" by executive "indecesion", her camp leaked

    "obviously, she’s not happy with dealing with a president who can’t decide if today is tuesday or wednesday, who can’t make his mind up"

    "it's like playing sports with a bunch of amateurs"

    Obama’s indecision on Libya has pushed Clinton over the edge | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment

    how did we get here

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    I don't agree about the Germans or Japanese. The others yeah, I'd agree.

    It's worth the risk IMO to at least help the people of Libya have a chance. Even if we fail.
    I wasn't clear but was implying pre WWII.

    And it's not clear to me that they are even being helped and, even if they are, there is quite probably other peoples of the world who could use our help even more.

    I was all for Iraq and would defend it today, but I'm not all that sure about Libya,

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I wasn't clear but was implying pre WWII.

    And it's not clear to me that they are even being helped and, even if they are, there is quite probably other peoples of the world who could use our help even more.

    I was all for Iraq and would defend it today, but I'm not all that sure about Libya,
    OK Grant. That does change my impression quite a bit. I would agree to some extent about Ger and Jap.

    There are good reasons to intervene in some nations affairs and not in others. I guess those standards change somewhat with each administration.

    For me two of the major standards for intervention would be are the people willing to fight themselves and what will it look like when the dust settles.

    Hopefully in Egypt, Tunisia, and Liyba the outcome will be free and peaceful nations who reject jihadis.
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Review the dictators the US has supported.



    Why? thats not what you said:


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    I don't support organizations that turn a blind eye to the war crimes of its peace keepers.


    You then asked why I don't "support America", meaning, directly in response to my post that you think US peacekeepers, IE our troops and veterans are war criminals....


    So I ask you again, are you calling us war criminals?
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    OK Grant. That does change my impression quite a bit. I would agree to some extent about Ger and Jap.

    There are good reasons to intervene in some nations affairs and not in others. I guess those standards change somewhat with each administration.

    For me two of the major standards for intervention would be are the people willing to fight themselves and what will it look like when the dust settles.

    Hopefully in Egypt, Tunisia, and Liyba the outcome will be free and peaceful nations who reject jihadis.
    And this thing with Libya appears to be based on Hope. I think we have to have far more understanding of the situation before we commit ourselves to such an enterprise and must rely on hope that things turn out well.

    I don't think we undersand what those 'rebels' want or who is behind them.

    It seems to me that we are hoping they are similar to the founders of the American Revolution but that lends a romantic edge that would seem unrealistic, judging from what we've learned from the Middle East and from many of their attitudes toward the west.

    I feel it's a Fools Rush In situation.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And this thing with Libya appears to be based on Hope. I think we have to have far more understanding of the situation before we commit ourselves to such an enterprise and must rely on hope that things turn out well.

    I don't think we undersand what those 'rebels' want or who is behind them.

    It seems to me that we are hoping they are similar to the founders of the American Revolution but that lends a romantic edge that would seem unrealistic, judging from what we've learned from the Middle East and from many of their attitudes toward the west.

    I feel it's a Fools Rush In situation.
    Who the rebels are is definately important but I certainly never looked at them like I do Washington and Jefferson.

    If we had rushed in quicker this may have been over already.
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Who the rebels are is definately important but I certainly never looked at them like I do Washington and Jefferson.

    If we had rushed in quicker this may have been over already.
    Islamic nations in the ME and North Africa at least are tribal at heart. They want someone strong at the top who is going to make things run smoothly. The revolutions happen when the guy at the top ****s up and the people at the bottom have problems with their basic needs. Keep the food, energy and housing prices reasonable and they'll generally put up with other ****. Keep them secure. Only a minority really wants a democracy, a true democracy. The rest want someone strong at the top who will make sure those needs get met.

    Ah, don't confuse Central and South America with the ME. Western nations have totally different mindsets and history. Democratic republics can work in western nations, even if they are "banana republics".

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