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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    But what evidence is there that they are not all Islamists in Libya, Egypt, and throughout the ME?

    It seems to me that we are just guessing on the side of optimism.
    That's a legitimate concern. The US has had good and bad relations with Libya over the years. We fought in Libya during WWII and had military bases there until Gaddafi.

    Libyans are for the most part like most people. They want to live in peace.

    This effort is taking the chance that the rebel victors will allow the people to form a peaceful democratic government that rejects jihadis.

    It's a big chance no doubt and there are many risks and legitimate reasons for concern and criticism.
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    I've been following this live feed from Libya for several weeks and there is some good info in it.

    About 1 in 5 posters are in Libya reporting what they see, hear and also what news reports they can find.

    It's offline right now which happens from time to time but there are some very interesting comments about the situation inside Libya, what's being reported, and what's happening in various cities in Libya.

    libya - live streaming video powered by Livestream
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    That's a legitimate concern. The US has had good and bad relations with Libya over the years. We fought in Libya during WWII and had military bases there until Gaddafi.

    Libyans are for the most part like most people. They want to live in peace.

    This effort is taking the chance that the rebel victors will allow the people to form a peaceful democratic government that rejects jihadis.

    It's a big chance no doubt and there are many risks and legitimate reasons for concern and criticism.
    Germans only wanted to live in peace also, as did the Italians, South Koreans, Japanese, Iranians and so on down the list.

    All people want to live in peace but sometimes their leaders, and highly effective propaganda, won't let them.

    I would like to think these 'rebels' only want to live in peace also but those seeking democracy in the Middle East seem to have less of a functioning network going on throughout the area than those who would support Islamism.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    I've been following this live feed from Libya for several weeks and there is some good info in it.

    About 1 in 5 posters are in Libya reporting what they see, hear and also what news reports they can find.

    It's offline right now which happens from time to time but there are some very interesting comments about the situation inside Libya, what's being reported, and what's happening in various cities in Libya.

    libya - live streaming video powered by Livestream
    Great!! thanks for that!

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So you calling US Troops war criminals? I don't understand your response.
    Review the dictators the US has supported.
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Review the dictators the US has supported.
    Actually that's not the way it works, Catawba.

    When you make claims it's up to you to support those claims.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post

    The rebels in Libya are far from an ideal ally but if they win and Libya becomes free to decide their own system of government its a win-win.

    Should the rebels win and Libya is one day ruled by another tyrant people will say we removed Gaddafi and supported tyrants and dictators.
    That's pretty much the case with any civil war in the middle east that we take sides in, isn't it? Even ones in which we spend over a trillion dollars and sacrifice tens of thousands of lives.
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Perhaps you should mention which Administration was responsible and name these dictators
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    Our support of ruthless dictators has been non-partisan. Both parties have done it

    Would you have had the the US go to war to eliminate all dictatorships?
    No, I suggest we don't provide support for them.

    Was there ever a case of choosing one more benign dictator over another who was far worse?
    In the same way one would choose to put one pile of **** in your mouth as opposed to another? Not, in my way of thinking.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Germans only wanted to live in peace also, as did the Italians, South Koreans, Japanese, Iranians and so on down the list.

    All people want to live in peace but sometimes their leaders, and highly effective propaganda, won't let them.

    I would like to think these 'rebels' only want to live in peace also but those seeking democracy in the Middle East seem to have less of a functioning network going on throughout the area than those who would support Islamism.
    I don't agree about the Germans or Japanese. The others yeah, I'd agree.

    It's worth the risk IMO to at least help the people of Libya have a chance. Even if we fail.
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Actually that's not the way it works, Catawba.

    When you make claims it's up to you to support those claims.
    USA supported dictators:

    "Abacha, General Sani - Nigeria
    Amin, Idi - Uganda
    Banzer, Colonel Hugo - Bolivia
    Batista, Fulgencio - Cuba
    Bolkiah, Sir Hassanal - Brunei
    Botha, P.W. - South Africa
    Branco, General Humberto - Brazil
    Cedras, Raoul - Haiti
    Cerezo, Vinicio - Guatemala
    Chiang Kai-Shek - Taiwan
    Cordova, Roberto Suazo - Honduras
    Christiani, Alfredo - El Salvador
    Diem, Ngo Dihn - Vietnam
    Doe, General Samuel - Liberia
    Duvalier, Francois - Haiti
    Duvalier, Jean Claude - Haiti
    Fahd bin'Abdul-'Aziz, King - Saudi Arabia
    Franco, General Francisco - Spain
    Hitler, Adolf - Germany
    Hassan II - Morocco
    Marcos, Ferdinand - Philippines
    Martinez, General Maximiliano - El Salvador
    Mobutu Sese Seko - Zaire
    Noriega, General Manuel - Panama
    Ozal, Turgut - Turkey
    Pahlevi, Shah Mohammed Reza - Iran
    Papadopoulos, George - Greece
    Park Chung Hee - South Korea
    Pinochet, General Augusto - Chile
    Pol Pot - Cambodia
    Rabuka, General Sitiveni - Fiji
    Montt, General Efrain Rios - Guatemala
    Salassie, Halie - Ethiopia
    Salazar, Antonio de Oliveira - Portugal
    Somoza, Anastasio Jr. - Nicaragua
    Somoza, Anastasio, Sr. - Nicaragua
    Smith, Ian - Rhodesia
    Stroessner, Alfredo - Paraguay
    Suharto, General - Indonesia
    Trujillo, Rafael Leonidas - Dominican Republic
    Videla, General Jorge Rafael - Argentina
    Zia Ul-Haq, Mohammed - Pakistan"
    USA Supported Dictators
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