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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    from the ap above:



    thank goodness, aren't you gratified to know we'll be outta there soon

    aren't you relieved we have statesmen like abdel akim al hasidi to hand off to
    I don't know who that person is, but are you suggesting the U.S./NATO will be handing over operations to suspected or known terrorist? If so, you're being very hypocritical here because on the one hand you're arguing that the U.S. will be too deeply involved to pull out of this thing, but on the other hand you're implying that when we do turn over full responsibility we're placing the fate of the Libyans in worse hands than they were in before which would suggest a need to "stay the course" and make sure this is done right. Moreover, your "implication" gives credibility to why it was necessary to get involved in the first place. And please, let's not use the weak argument that U.S. involvement as spurred on "insurgency" in Libya. By all accounts, remnants of Al-Quadia was already filtering in before U.S. involvement, thereby supporting the fact that Libya was already dangerously close to being co-opted.

    Is there reason to be concerned? Absolutely! All the more reason to do this right as quickly as possible and let the U.N./NATO w/the Arab League take charge.

    A aside from the Reuters article you linked to:

    "His [Gaddafi's] air force cannot fly. His warships are staying in port. His ammunition stores are being destroyed. Communication towers are being toppled and his command bunkers are being rendered useless."
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    reliance on the arab league?

    and THERE's the problem

    i'm not arguing anything, MISSION BUILDING is the inevitable next shoe to fall

    look forward

    admiral sestak on abc this morning:

    i do not support this intervention, our military force must match our politcal objectives, there are too many contradictions in our mission, we have an alliance where no one wants to lead, that leads to mission creep, we risk an immense impact on american prestige, we're letting circumstances drive our policy, we're hostage, we have to know who we're turning power over to before we can leave...

    it aint me, it's PHYSICS---if gadaffi stays, american prestige in the region and beyond is in the crapper

    if he goes, we're STUCK THERE

    meet the opposition:

    Just Who Are These Libyan Rebels? - Swampland - TIME.com

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    NO ONE HAS DECLARED WAR AGAINST A-N-Y-B-O-D-Y!
    call it what you will

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    it aint me, it's PHYSICS---if gadaffi stays, american prestige in the region and beyond is in the crapper

    if he goes, we're STUCK THERE
    Well said, Prof.....and that's the bottom line.

    Good day, ya'll

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Prof,

    Another falsehood. NO ONE HAS DECLARED WAR AGAINST A-N-Y-B-O-D-Y! I know you and your Conservative cohorts love to make that claim, but the has not been a declaration of war issued by Libya, by any coalition party and not by the U.S. As I said in a previous post, the situation in Libya certainly is a civil war, but until a delcaration of war is proclaimed, it's just an internal squabble within Libya - nothing more.

    Again, stop the and the foolishness and present the truth w/the facts.
    If it's not war then why are we bombing Libya? Why would we bomb a foreign country if it's not war?

    As Libya has not declared war on the United States or Canada either, why are we sending in missiles?

    We bomb other countries because of "internal squabbles". When did that ever become a foreign policy?

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I don't know who that person is, but are you suggesting the U.S./NATO will be handing over operations to suspected or known terrorist? If so, you're being very hypocritical here because on the one hand you're arguing that the U.S. will be too deeply involved to pull out of this thing, but on the other hand you're implying that when we do turn over full responsibility we're placing the fate of the Libyans in worse hands than they were in before which would suggest a need to "stay the course" and make sure this is done right.
    Looking further into Obama's crystal ball, give organisations such as the Muslim Brotherhood a foothold and you, my friend are asking for trouble.

    Che Guevarra with talk of freedom and secularism LMAO

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If it's not war then why are we bombing Libya? Why would we bomb a foreign country if it's not war?

    As Libya has not declared war on the United States or Canada either, why are we sending in missiles?

    We bomb other countries because of "internal squabbles". When did that ever become a foreign policy?
    If this is a full fledged "war", what would you have called our military engagement in Bosnia?

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    On the surface this may seem like a good idea, and I agree Gadhafi needs to go the way Great Auk , however in the first 24 hours the Missiles cost us tax payers over $100 million.

    Then we lost an F-15 Strike Eagle to mechanical problems at a cost of $31.1 million.

    The thing is that is $131.1 Million and does not include the cost of fuel and the bombs used to attack ground targets which has got to be way into the Millions of Dollars. The laser guidance package Production unit cost, Air Force: $23700. Navy: $26100 this is on top of the cost of the bombs these are added to.

    Frankly we can't afford this with no chance of return on investment. Libya is not in the top 20 nations we get oil from, so even with luck we get no benefit there.

    I have to believe it would have been more efficient to put a hit on Gadhafi.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    If this is a full fledged "war", what would you have called our military engagement in Bosnia?
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    If this is a full fledged "war", what would you have called our military engagement in Bosnia?
    Bosnia is not the topic of discussion so let's not have any of your 'spin' .

    Your claim is that despite bombing Libya it is not a war because Barrack Obama, or whomever, has not officially said it is a war.


    It's safe to say that if we are shooting at a particular country and they are shooting back it is a war, and that is true no matter what BHO might say.

    The fact that he first received permission from some members of the UN and the Arab League and left the rest of the American government out of it, does not make it any less of a war.

    It still bombing another country, its leader, its people, its government, and a fellow member of the UN.

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