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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    My memory serves that the bullet holes in the walls of the student's dorms were on the seaward side. No such weapon caches were found.
    I don't know about the bullet holes. It was a confusing operation for all involved.

    Near Frequente, one of the companies, Company C, discovered a series
    of warehouses surrounded by barbed wire and chain-link fence. Inside
    the warehouses were enough Soviet- and Cuban-supplied small arms
    and military equipment to outfit six infantry battalions, far in excess of
    Grenadian military needs.

    One of the lingering issues from the invasion was what to do with
    the captured Soviet equipment in the warehouses at Frequente. A small
    sampling of the weapons was shipped by air for display at the United
    Nations, but most of the materiel had to return by sealift.
    ... Tons of ammunition, weapons, and uniforms were loaded onto airplanes from 6 to 9 November by
    engineers of Company C, 548th Engineer Battalion. Other equipment
    and munitions were collected, inventoried, and loaded onto trucks and
    helicopters for movement to the harbor, where the SS Dolly Thurman, a
    cargo ship, awaited them.
    http://www.history.army.mil/html/boo...rgent_fury.pdf
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    So does a little transparency. And so does common sense. If we're going to enforce a NFZ, then that's all we should be doing. If we're going to bomb strongholds and military installations, then that's a whole new ballgame. And that's what we're doing. And if we're going to bomb "strongholds" and military installations, then tell Daffy what the UN expects from him, give him a deadline, tell him the UN's consequences if he doesn't comply; then, if he doesn't comply, bomb all of their military installations and get it over with.



    Bush had Congress' okay to go into Iraq based on credible evidence later found to be false. The invasion was carefully planned and had gotten prior approval from Congress. That was a totally different operation. As to Granada, I don't know the details and trust you that you're right. The fact that another president did something similar is not, repeat not, justification for President Obama.



    If Reagan used intelligence that told him that our national security was in danger, whether it was later proved false or not, that's a different story. Our national security is not in danger from Libya. The American people (I know I sure did) looked at helping Libya as a humanitarian mission -- a NFZ. That's not what we've got here.



    First, we don't need no stinkin' UN resolution to use military force when we (or our allies) are in imminent danger. And that's what intelligence showed at the time.



    It's not just pundits. It's Congress. It's American citizens. Only military people knew what this NFZ meant. If indeed that's what a NFZ customarily means. The American people had no idea we'd be bombing military installations and strongholds. That's where that transparency thingie comes in. And, of course, Obama specifically criticized Bush for not getting Congressional approval, said it was gross over-reach...and we have Biden telling us it's an impeachable offense.

    This is just one more quagmire, in my opinion. Congress: Fail. Again.
    He really has been transparent about why we are there.

    I think they're trying to figure out how they can stop digging the hole deeper and bigger, and are realizing no matter what they do now the crater is likely to get bigger. Perhaps they're simply wishing it will go away.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Strange that you knew............
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
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    No, that's not true............
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    You thought, felt or believed that..........
    See here: http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059368136
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Look, I supported a NFZ -- I just didn't understand its scope. I firmly believe that Congress needs to take a stand on this issue: Can the President deploy troops/assets when the neither the US nor its allies are not in imminent danger?

    It's that simple.
    In a word, YES. But you have to understand the dynamics of the War Powers Act first to understand why.

    I recommend you read my post #46 from this thread and the accompanying links therein to get a better understanding on the matter.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    and suppose the obama "policy," product of five minutes thought, is "successful," however that goal is on the day we discuss it defined

    are YOU, for example, in the MOOD for a little bit of NATION BUILDING?

    in LIBYA?

    have you MET the folks we have to work with over there?

    and are you satisfied that THIS white house has PREPARED itself for such a NATION BUILDING enterprise?

    in other words, are you sure this white house knows what it's doing?

    party on, progressives
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    President Barack Obama has touted his emphasis on multilateralism in the U.S. military intervention in Libya, but, for political, operational, and legal reasons, Obama's "coalition of the willing" is smaller than any major multilateral operation since the end of the Cold War.

    The Cable compiled a chart listing all the countries that contributed at least some military assets to the five major military operations in which the United States participated in a coalition during the last 20 years: the 1991 Gulf War (32 countries participating), the 1995 Bosnia mission (24 countries), the 1999 Kosovo mission (19 countries), the 2002 invasion of Afghanistan (48 countries), and the 2003 invasion of Iraq (40 countries), at the height of the size of each coalition. As of today, only 15 countries, including the United States, have committed to providing a military contribution to the Libya war.
    Why Obama's coalition is smallest

    to be fair, tho, you'd really have to ask, just how many phone calls can an overplied president make in five minutes?

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    and you're aware, presumably, that obama RELIES in part on the ARAB LEAGUE for cover

    do you think this is wise?

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-mainstream-media/95008-u-s-tomahawk-cruise-missiles-hit-targets-libya-61.html#post1059368136[/URL]

    Oh I see, this is why you were so down on Obama for not foolishly rushing to attack without UN consensus, so that you wouldn't have to wait so long to chastise him once he was part of the effort to protect Libyians.
    What's your point? This doesn't answer anything.
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