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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I agree that Congress should take a vote on whether we continue to support the NATO action. But for me, I want it done because we are committing US lives and money when our budget is already strapped from 2 other wars. I don't really see the oil corruption in NATO that you do. If they had gone along with Bush's invasion of Iraq, I think you would have a better case for that.
    It is not a NATO action, but a war with some NATO forces. It's one thing I'll agree with Pete EU on.

    We went in the first time, Gulf War 1, to stop Saddam from wreaking havoc with his neighbors and the world's oil supply. From when that Gulf War 1 ended and 911, we found ourselves with a new enemy that had no country... and Saddam could very well have supplied the idiots with WMD.

    Everyone believed Saddam had WMD... Blix, Kay, our allies and even our enemies.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Julian Assange can't even put on a condom without leaking.
    And it takes a lot of balls to do that.
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Like it or not America will take the leading role....As a General said yesterday on one of the shows, America's military doesn't subordinate itself to anyone.
    Wrong. The US military is not at the top of the chain of command. . .

    Oil cos/PACs/Hedge Funds/Offense Contractors/AIPAC, other lobbyists -> CINC -> SECDEF -> (US military starts here) -> CCDR -> troops stained within UCC

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    jake tapper, this afternoon:

    In an interview with Univision Tuesday, President Obama re-defined the term “exit strategy,” and said our exit strategy in Libya would begin this week.

    “The exit strategy will be executed this week,” President Obama said, “in the sense that we will be pulling back from our much more active efforts to shape the environment. We will still be in a support role. We will be supplying jamming, intelligence and other assets unique to us."

    Planes in the air? Ships in the Mediterranean? Intelligence being provided? Doesn’t sound like an exit strategy at all.

    What it does recall is Lewis Carroll.

    "'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less."

    Yesterday, Defense Secretary Gates, talking about who would take over for the US and when, said, "this command and control business is complicated. We haven’t done something like this, kind of on the fly before. And so it’s not surprising to me that it would take a few days to get it all sorted out."
    President Obama Redefines the Term "Exit Strategy" - Political Punch

    that's TAPPER talkin

    wow!

    can you deny it?

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

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    I don't presume to know why any of the NATO members are there other than their stated goal of protecting Libyans from being massacred by their leader.
    It's really quite rare that anyone in a free democracy accepts the word of government so easily, and without question. Did you also accept the word of George Bush and the American government when they, along with the Coalition, invaded Iraq?

    I don't think Libya's oil reserves are a factor. You are the one that brought it up.
    Actually it was you.

    "Libya has 3% of the world's oil, we have 2%, Iraq has the largest reserves, even bigger than Saudia Arabia. It will be the last place on the planet to run out which is why we put our military there".

    I never mentioned the reserves at all.
    You don't know how the world oil market works do you?
    Why ask that question and how is it germane to what we're discussing?

    I do know that there is a lot of money involved, and both the UK and France have done some shady deals with Middle East dictators in the past. In fact France was directly dealing with Saddam Hussein in the UN Oil for Food scandal, which was brought to light in an investigation by the Americans.

    What do you know about Europeans dealing with ME dictators for oil deals and various other contracts? You don't, on the face of it, seem to know much about the subject.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Consensus is merely language for cover. Obama has been dragged into this thing when he had NO intention of doing a darned thing about Gaddafi mowing down civilians in the streets, now he want's to either be able to take the credit, or place the blame when it blows up in his face. Obama is a perennial fence sitter, and academic that is in over his head, and has shown the ME that he is and will continue to be a weak stick when it comes to using muscle to achieve what's in American interests.

    A government that governs by consensus is a weak, floundering mess.
    It is a huge precedent that the Americans would be involved in a military action and not be in charge. Is Obama being very clever by deliberately weakening the United States for his own pre-Presidential political philosophies and agenda, or is he just remarkably foolish? And that beggars the question whether he is also deliberately undermining the American economy and weakening the US in that direction as well.

    I don't see how anyone can so weaken the United States from both directions unless it is Bill Ayers deliberate.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    jake tapper, this afternoon:



    President Obama Redefines the Term "Exit Strategy" - Political Punch

    that's TAPPER talkin

    wow!

    can you deny it?
    At one time the only "exit strategy" was in one side winning and the other side losing. Now it appears to mean some face-saving way to retreat.

    I doubt this constant referral to exit strategies will strike much fear in the hearts of those who would do the democracies harm.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    1) Asserting the no-fly zone will cost the US $100M per week... and its totally elective spending. Here is a place we don't need to spend the money.
    Defense and supporting people fighting for their freedom is exactly where we need to spend money. Giving federal money to states so they can pay their employees is not. Providing medial care to every citizen(?) is another.

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    2) The "it will be over quick" theory worked really well in Iraq, now didn't it. Cheney should have read his 1992 diary.

    ...it would be over in a matter of weeks and we would be greeted as liberators.
    Saddam was ousted in three weeks and Iraqi's did greet us as liberators.

    Saddam's fedayeen killed many of those people. Some just for waving at US troops.
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    ..... repeatedly warned Blair of the consequences of invading Iraq without fresh UN authority
    The old authority had expired? Needed to be thrown out?

    Even with the chief weapons inspector stating Saddam was in material breach of UN 1441 it still doesn't matter to some people.
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's really quite rare that anyone in a free democracy accepts the word of government so easily, and without question. Did you also accept the word of George Bush and the American government when they, along with the Coalition, invaded Iraq?
    No, like the UN, I knew Iraq was not a threat to the US or its neighbors. We completely destroyed their military capability in 1991 followed by ten years of sanctions and 700 inspections. They were no more a threat to the US then Grenada. Anyone frightened of Iraq had serious paranoid fantasies, or an ulterior motive, which was spelled out in a report by Cheney and the oil industry that predated our invasion.
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