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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Ah, so America should be bombing the ever loving hell out of people?

    That's the way you like it?
    Wherever did you get that message???

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    And to think that I'd ever live to see the French leading the way in any military conflict, Oh and Nicolas Sarkozy is the leader of the free world.

    Only under Obama would something like this ever be possible.
    I've been singing the following song for the past several days with the lyrics "Why can't we be France..."...
    and as an aside... it's nice he's got "a laser like focus on the economy."



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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Is the war over already and I missed it? Why would you not want Congress to vote whether we continue to support the NATO action?
    look i dont mean that it is too late because the war is over i mean it is too late because we already made the first strike. and i would like congress to vote for 2 reasons. one to see the majorities opinion on this and two because i believe NATO is becoming corrupted. i believe that they will do anything for oil. i do want them to vote by the way.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by kwanawk View Post
    look i dont mean that it is too late because the war is over i mean it is too late because we already made the first strike. and i would like congress to vote for 2 reasons. one to see the majorities opinion on this and two because i believe NATO is becoming corrupted. i believe that they will do anything for oil. i do want them to vote by the way.
    I agree that Congress should take a vote on whether we continue to support the NATO action. But for me, I want it done because we are committing US lives and money when our budget is already strapped from 2 other wars. I don't really see the oil corruption in NATO that you do. If they had gone along with Bush's invasion of Iraq, I think you would have a better case for that.
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Like it or not America will take the leading role....As a General said yesterday on one of the shows, America's military doesn't subordinate itself to anyone.


    Period.


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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I agree that Congress should take a vote on whether we continue to support the NATO action. But for me, I want it done because we are committing US lives and money when our budget is already strapped from 2 other wars. I don't really see the oil corruption in NATO that you do. If they had gone along with Bush's invasion of Iraq, I think you would have a better case for that.
    You feel Iraq has oil but Libya doesn't?

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You feel Iraq has oil but Libya doesn't?

    Libya has 3% of the world's oil, we have 2%, Iraq has the largest reserves, even bigger than Saudia Arabia. It will be the last place on the planet to run out which is why we put our military there.
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Libya has 3% of the world's oil, we have 2%, Iraq has the largest reserves, even bigger than Saudia Arabia. It will be the last place on the planet to run out which is why we put our military there.
    So you feel the French and British are there because they are nice guys and wouldn't involve themselves with any mid East oil shenanigans? Do you feel, historically, that France's interests weren't all about France?

    And what difference does oil reserves make? (and judging their quantity is always risky and political anyway}

    If France can control a percentage of the world's oil they certainly might go for it. The Oil For Food scandal within the UN certainly involved France and their energy giant, Total, so that should demonstrate their morals where far less oil was involved. The French have tgheir oily fingerprints all over the Middle East. Check it out!

    Here's Britain UK wooed Gadhafi before Lockerbie bomber freed - World news - Europe - msnbc.com

    Here's France (there are more links) Gadhafi's son used Libya oil profits for personal gain, WikiLeaks reveals - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

    And here's speculation on others

    Libya Oil Connection With France Italy Germany United States China – Blood For Oil? - Soapbox Michigan

    Europeans tend to ignore European skulduggery and instead point their grimy fingers at the US.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So you feel the French and British are there because they are nice guys and wouldn't involve themselves with any mid East oil shenanigans? Do you feel, historically, that France's interests weren't all about France?
    I don't presume to know why any of the NATO members are there other than their stated goal of protecting Libyans from being massacred by their leader.

    And what difference does oil reserves make?
    I don't think Libya's oil reserves are a factor. You are the one that brought it up.

    If France can control a percentage of the world's oil they certainly might go for it.
    You don't know how the world oil market works do you?
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Then what's this 'consensus' thing all about, J-mac?

    Consensus is merely language for cover. Obama has been dragged into this thing when he had NO intention of doing a darned thing about Gaddafi mowing down civilians in the streets, now he want's to either be able to take the credit, or place the blame when it blows up in his face. Obama is a perennial fence sitter, and academic that is in over his head, and has shown the ME that he is and will continue to be a weak stick when it comes to using muscle to achieve what's in American interests.

    A government that governs by consensus is a weak, floundering mess.

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