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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    update, 3:52 pm, eastern: we're back to REGIME CHANGE

    White House: Helping install 'a democratic system' is goal in Libya - TheHill.com
    That article deserves a thread, of it's very own.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    They all know that Obama is a pussy. When the leader of The Free World is a pussy, it invites the assholes of the world to start trouble.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Think he'll send Khadaffi to Gitmo?
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No, I agreed with you that I think Obama should have gotten Congressional approval as well as UN approval. Obama is more of a war hawk than i would have liked in a president, but the only other viable choice was someone even more of a war hawk, so what are you gonna do?

    Do you think Congress should cut off funding for this endeavor until they've had a chance to make their decision on the matter? I will support you in that call if you like.
    In the last 50 years, the US has seldom abided by laws or even its own Constitution, both internationally (when it comes to treaties) and domestically. Pols routinely break laws (tax evasion, bribes, underage sex, etc.) and several of the laws on the books are blatantly unconstitutional (i. e. warrantless wiretapping).

    Nevertheless, if anyone wants to get technical, the WPA's Congressional consultation requirement can be loosely interpreted. If Obama merely told Congress, "Oh, BTW, I went to war yesterday" that would be sufficient to meet the legal requirements of the Act.

    Furthermore, even if Obama wages war for more than 90 days without formal Congressional authorization or a declaration of war, it's unlikely he'd ever be impeached for it. So, for all practical purposes, the POTUS can bomb any country he wants any time as long as he wants. . .

    . . .as long as he stays within the limits of the conditions stipulated by the PACs and corporations that have an ownership stake in his office. If he breaks those limits, he'll be impeached immediately, convicted, and sent to prison for a very long time. In America, no politician is above the oil companies.
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They all know that Obama is a pussy. When the leader of The Free World is a pussy, it invites the assholes of the world to start trouble.
    I thought Julian Assange is the current leader of the Free World. When did Obama take that job?

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    I thought Julian Assange is the current leader of the Free World. When did Obama take that job?
    Julian Assange can't even put on a condom without leaking.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Not even close. I'm going to use this as a one-stop-shopping argument over and over:
    There are some similarities between Libya and Iraq; there are a hell of a lot of differences. For one, in invading Iraq we couldn't get any but a few of our strongest allies on board, talk about "Coalition of the Willing." Whereas the UNSC voted 10-0 to enforce a no-fly zone. The degree of consensus regarding a particular military involvement goes a hell of a long way in telling you how legitimate your cause is.

    As a side note, I certainly do believe that Bush 41 did the smart thing in not going all the way to Baghdad.

    I'll tell you why. Obama's a Lib. It's that simple. If this were Bush or Reagan... it would be worldwide... right now.
    Don't really buy that argument, for the reasons stated above. The situation is different, our degree of involvement is different. It's really not that simple. At the end of the day though I'm not really a fan of what we're doing in Libya.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    "The President does not have the power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."-Barack Obama, 2007

    whats going on with this? is this hypocritical?

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Oh nice way to twist the facts. Resolution 1441 had a 15-0 vote so more support than obummer has. But don't let facts get in the way!

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Oh nice way to twist the facts. Resolution 1441 had a 15-0 vote so more support than obummer has. But don't let facts get in the way!
    Resolution 1441 explicitly authorized the use of military force...oh wait no it didn't. Way to compare apples and oranges.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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