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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Man...what a great ****ing speech. It's too bad being President and giving great speeches are two different skill sets.
    And you are thinking McCain would have done better???
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    I thought they where for a no-fly zone? As in shoot down any plane that takes to the skies. This was a bombing mission and elites simply used "No-Fly Zone" to get it started. Any "accidental" civilian deaths from our planes should be considered terrorism and whoever marked the site for bombing needs to be brought into justice.
    Everyone was informed as to what would be involved in establishing a no-fly zone. I am not saying it was the right decision for NATO to take, but you can't claim anyone, that has been paying attention, didn't know what it would involve. If Congress is opposed to our support in the NATO action, I think they should defund it.
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    And you are thinking McCain would have done better???
    Nope, not at all. Just noting that I have been rather disappointed with the President I voted for in recent months, compared to when I was nodding my head at every great speech he made.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I haven't really been keeping up with Libya, but I'm curious as to why this issue hasn't been brought before Congress yet?
    King Hussein Obama was on vacation and thought it would be nice if our forces dropped in on Wright & Farrakhan's buddy Gadaffi Duck.

    No biggy. Only cost us a few hundred million for the first day's firework show.

    Just think, he didn't have to lie or nutt'in. Congress? What's that? Vote? ROTFLOL.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    King Hussein Obama was on vacation and thought it would be nice if our forces dropped in on Wright & Farrakhan's buddy Gadaffi Duck.

    No biggy. Only cost us a few hundred million for the first day's firework show.

    It's great to be the King.

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    Doesn't really explain to me why CONGRESS hasn't brought the issue up...
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Doesn't really explain to me why CONGRESS hasn't brought the issue up...
    Many on Obama's side are not happy about his not getting authority. But I haven't seen any protesters. No signs with the guy ordering 5-beers either.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Many on Obama's side are not happy about his not getting authority. But I haven't seen any protesters. No signs with the guy ordering 5-beers either.

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    He did have authority. The UN told him to do it. They're our new decision makers now.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Many on Obama's side are not happy about his not getting authority. But I haven't seen any protesters. No signs with the guy ordering 5-beers either.

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    I personally don't support the intervention, but really the rationale for getting involved in Libya is a lot more sound than the rationale for invading Iraq. I suspect that's why there aren't crazy protesters out there.

    But I think after the UN voted to enforce an NFZ, then Congress should have at least VOTED on a declaration of war, as the imposition of an NFZ is essentially an act of war. Where the **** is Congress in all this? At least we should've gotten a reading up or down.
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Nope, not at all. Just noting that I have been rather disappointed with the President I voted for in recent months, compared to when I was nodding my head at every great speech he made.
    I am not surprised. I had read much about Obama before deciding to vote for him. I learned that he was not near as left leaning as I would have preferred. He has always been very much a pragmatist, nevery letting perfection get in the way of a smaller than ideal gain. Given that, the mess he inherited from the last administration, and everything he's done having to get a super-majority in Congress, I am more surprised that he has been able to accomplish what he has.
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I am not surprised. I had read much about Obama before deciding to vote for him. I learned that he was not near as left leaning as I would have preferred. He has always been very much a pragmatist, nevery letting perfection get in the way of a smaller than ideal gain. Given that, the mess he inherited from the last administration, and everything he's done having to get a super-majority in Congress, I am more surprised that he has been able to accomplish what he has.
    Oh, you mean the mandatory health care thing? Yea, that would definitely require a super majority in congress, because certainly the super majority of Americans don't support it. Funny how the representatives are supposed to represent us, yet their votes don't. Who the hell are they voting on behalf of?

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