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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No, I agreed with you that I think Obama should have gotten Congressional approval as well as UN approval. Obama is more of a war hawk than i would have liked in a president, but the only other viable choice was someone even more of a war hawk, so what are you gonna do?
    I know you agreed with my other statement, I was asking if you agreed that we reserve the right to enter combat without UN approval.

    The statement I made you agreed with:
    Approval from Congress, for a lengthy engagement, is more highly desirable. Since we don't plan to have significant assets in play for long, Congressional approval probably wasn't needed. Since we aren't leading the effort, others countries, France, Britain and especially participation by Arab countries, a UN resolution makes perfect sense and was well done.
    So it seems you agree that not only is UN approval not required, but due to the War Powers Resolution of 1973 means we can enter combat without UN approval, without Congressional approval and without a declaration of war. Do you agree?

    Do you think Congress should cut off funding for this endeavor until they've had a chance to make their decision on the matter? I will support you in that call if you like.
    No. It is not their decision to make.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Diplomacy=looking weak and indecisive to the world.

    That would be something a liberal would be proud of.
    Nice response, cowboy. Nothing better than a guy who's solution to everything is a bullet. Maybe one day you will be welcome to civilization.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I know you agreed with my other statement, I was asking if you agreed that we reserve the right to enter combat without UN approval.
    Don't really care as it has nothing to do with the point I made that it was smart to get UN approval.

    So it seems you agree that not only is UN approval not required,
    (No we would just be incredibly stupid to go it alone, as we were in Iraq)


    but due to the War Powers Resolution of 1973 means we can enter combat without UN approval, without Congressional approval and without a declaration of war. Do you agree?
    The war powers act says Congress shall be notified. Do you have knowledge that Congress was not aware of our part in the attack wihin 48 hours as required? Has Congress stated they do not authorize our actions?

    Are you opposed to our actions? Or, are you just trying to score some partisan points here?
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Nonsense. He stated that Gaddafi must go and it appears the UN has bullied him out of it. We've heard nothing about 0bama's "Gaddafi must leave" policy lately. In fact the WH and military leaders are stating there is a time limit to the operations in Libya. This is a major mistake. Gaddafi is going to wait it out and this military campaign will be for nothing.

    Cleverly? Sitting on his hands for weeks waiting for political cover from the UN while Gaddafi slaughtered innocent people was clever of 0bama? I doubt the people of Libya would agree.

    If this was the right decision today than it was the right decision weeks ago.
    Its a civil war. Yes, people get hurt, but its not of our business. We do not have a dog in the fight....and to run with that metaphor, stepping into the middle of a civil war is analagous to stepping into the middle of a dog fight; one thing for sure is you are going to get hurt and the dogs will never notice.

    Second, what is our end game in such a proposition? We have been fine with the status quo. He is just another two-bit dictator. Why risk being dragged into a greater conflict for which we have neither the man power nor the financial resources (I better not find any posts of your's complaining about the deficit)? Instead, let the French, Brits and Saudis do some work for once and let us sit back and enjoy the benefit. As a UN action, we are far less likely to have the downside consequences than if we simply went in with guns ablazin'.

    Nice work, BHO.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Don't really care as it has nothing to do with the point I made that it was smart to get UN approval.

    (No we would just be incredibly stupid to go it alone)
    In fact, UN approval is not necessary. Prudent perhaps, but we see the cost of diplomacy is the lack of more immediate action that could have saved lives. It's the difference between executive decision making and legislative/diplomatic consensus building.

    The war powers act says Congress shall be notified. Do you have knowledge that Congress was not aware of our part in the attack wihin 48 hours as required? Has Congress stated they do not authorize our actions?
    I believe they were notified prior to action. I have heard some Democrats asking for impeachment of Obama, if you can believe it, for violating the Constitution. I do not know in what capacity Obama may have violated the Constitution, but I just think this is absolutely hilarious.

    Are you opposed to our actions?
    Not at all, as my previous post stated. I think we played it perfectly, and as long as Obama's assertion holds true, that we will mostly disengage and let the French, English, Italians and Arabs deal with it, then I say well done. The USS Mount Whitney will still provide C4I for the coalition, I expect (and what a badass ship she is!).

    Or, are you just trying to score some partisan points here?
    I am not really a partisan at all, and don't easily fit conservative/liberal labels. I am all for liberal social stances on gay marriage, abortion, euthanasia, polygamy, polyandry, clan marriages... Conservative fiscally which includes social spending restraints, "neocon" foreign policy (keeping in mind there is a WIDE RANGE of opinion in the neocon world) in support of active involvement in spreading democracy. I don't score points. I am not even playing.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The purpose for waiting was so that we do not create another whole round of terrorists by the way we've been waging wars unilaterally in the Middle East without UN approval.
    This "create another whole round of terrorists" nonsense is an old and worn out hoax. Get another slogan.

    The US did not act unilaterally in Iraq or Afghanistan as you know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, people die in revolutions and civil wars, is this the first you have heard about this?
    Is this seriously your excuse for what took 0bama so long? People die in a revolution? Really?
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I do not know in what capacity Obama may have violated the Constitution, but I just think this is absolutely hilarious.

    Thanks, we don't get enough partisan comments.
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Its a civil war. Yes, people get hurt, but its not of our business. We do not have a dog in the fight....
    Then take it up with 0bama, France, Italy etc. as well. They disagree with you. So do I.

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Second, what is our end game in such a proposition? We have been fine with the status quo. He is just another two-bit dictator. Why risk being dragged into a greater conflict for which we have neither the man power nor the financial resources (I better not find any posts of your's complaining about the deficit)? Instead, let the French, Brits and Saudis do some work for once and let us sit back and enjoy the benefit. As a UN action, we are far less likely to have the downside consequences than if we simply went in with guns ablazin'.
    According to 0bama the end game is regime change in Libya.

    The US has the assets and money to destroy Gaddafi's ground forces and air defense. It wouldn't take long.

    You will find lots of posts where I criticize 0bama for wasting trillions of tax dollars and deficit spending. Two separate issues. Nice try though.

    simply went in with guns ablazin'? Nobody ever suggested such a thing.
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Thanks, we don't get enough partisan comments.
    That's partisan? You don't find it funny? Its as funny as a Republican taking a wide stance.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Thanks, we don't get enough partisan comments.
    And that's your only response to what I wrote? Jackass.

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