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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    WMDs...revenge and future oil company profits. Had McCain won we would have permanant bases in Iraq. He even said so.
    Only a complete fool believes the invasion of Iraq wasn't a costly mistake and a no win situation for the US.
    So Gulf War 1 was a mistake too, and what do you do after your nation is hit by terrorists? Do you leave a threat that had WMD, used them, hated America, tried to assassinate a US President to call the shots beyond the 12-years he'd already had. Shall he tell us when or if he will disarm? What message does that send to despots?

    Then there is the humanitarian aspect of which 1 million Iraqi's died... 500,000 children and for what? They didn't die for freedom that's for damn sure.
    Now Libya is a humanitarian mission? Was Iraq not? 1 million died there before Bush 43, and 100 people a day were being executed.
    Nw are you going to tell me Bush caused 1 million deaths? No... that was Clinton's Invisible Testicle foreign policy.

    You see... this is where you Libs are ****ed badly. There is no consistency in your beliefs... it's a shady, intellectually bankrupt shell game.


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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    We aren't killing unarmed civilians. Do I really need to point that out?
    No but that's not the point. The point is, why are foreign countries interfering with the affairs of a sovereign nation? To save the people? May be but with that excuse they can do whatever they want and fire any war on whoever they want with accusations of nonhuman behavior.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Clearly I not only believe that, but I rationally think that - it is not just a belief. There is ample evidence which you ignore just to feed your view of the world. We didn't go for oil, we didn't go for creating a puppet government nor to establish permanent bases. Crucial question: why did we go?

    Since I obviously support what we did, you are clearly calling me a fool. I want an apology.

    His assessment was spot on. The Iraqi people is who should receive an apology!
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    I don't care who you are, when a country's military starts bombing another country's military that's war by definition. Calling it anything else is just propaganda.
    Err, no. By your lofty logic, when Pearl Harbor was bombed, America was at war with Japan. We weren't at war with Japan on December 7, 1941. We were at war with Japan on December 8, 1941.

    Learn what the terms state of war means in context of numerous international conventions. Aggression is not always war. It is casus belli for war.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    No but that's not the point. The point is, why are foreign countries interfering with the affairs of a sovereign nation? To save the people? May be but with that excuse they can do whatever they want and fire any war on whoever they want with accusations of nonhuman behavior.
    Not at all. Learn about UNSCR that are under Chapter VII... AKA threats to peace and security. I have no idea why you are defending Libya's dictator in the first place.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    His assessment was spot on. The Iraqi people is who should receive an apology!
    Could you please provide a link where the Iraqi people have sought an apology?

    They were pro-rape rooms and genocide??

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    No but that's not the point. The point is, why are foreign countries interfering with the affairs of a sovereign nation? To save the people? May be but with that excuse they can do whatever they want and fire any war on whoever they want with accusations of nonhuman behavior.
    Yes, that's the standard dilemma presented when the sanctity of sovereignty is ameliorated. Certainly, sovereignty has never stopped a county from invading another when a bad actor starts war without the wellbeing of that other country's people being uppermost in their mind. The Korean war for instance, or Iraq invading Kuwait. It makes no sense to bind ourselves to rules others do not follow - especially when we do desire a good outcome for the people.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Err, no. By your lofty logic, when Pearl Harbor was bombed, America was at war with Japan. We weren't at war with Japan on December 7, 1941. We were at war with Japan on December 8, 1941.

    Learn what the terms state of war means in context of numerous international conventions. Aggression is not always war. It is casus belli for war.
    WRONG and WRONG.
    a) Casus belli is the justification for going to war. Dropping 112 bombs on a nation in an act of aggression is war.

    Using your logic, the entire aggressive act of Gulf War II was casus belli, and any war for that matter.

    b) We were at war the moment those Japanese started bombing us.

    In your case here, since we were not at war until December 8, 1941 our troops should not have attempted to defend themselves, but being at war they did... on December 7.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    WRONG.
    Casus belli is the justification for going to war. Dropping 112 bombs on a nation in an act of aggression is war.

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    Christ, will you people never learn? They are 3000 lb guided missiles, not rockets or bombs.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Christ, will you people never learn? They are 3000 lb guided missiles, not rockets or bombs.
    I prefer to call them rockets. That's just me.

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