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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Despite all your puff and bluster you're still quite ignorant about jihadis.
    OK, then please tell us what "jihad" means.

    After all, you wouldn't all my "puff and bluster" getting in the way of the correct definitions.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Yeah... about that, its been limited to Qatari fighters and Egypt arming Libyan rebs
    I thought the UAE was also participating.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Sure. . .



    So when you were asking "What's wrong with being Islamophobic?" you apparently meant "what's wrong with having an an irrational, intense and persistent fear of Muslims."

    Thanks for allowing me to clarify that
    An honorable warrior fights other warriors. He does not deliberately target civilians for the purpose of creating terror as a means of political change. That's why we call them terrorists instead of guerilla.

    Muslim terrorists attack unarmed civilians because they traditionally lose more than they win when they attack armed soldiers. They are cowards.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I don't need a link to state the obvious. Which far right christians were opposed to our killing Muslims? Can you name any?
    Do you mean right wing evangelicals in general, or the one dimensional bigoted cartoon-like caricature I am beginning to believe you hold in your own mind?

    Love Your Muslim as Yourself | Christianity Today | A Magazine of Evangelical Conviction
    Peacemakers Seek to Show War from Point of View of Iraqi Civilians | Christianity Today | A Magazine of Evangelical Conviction
    "Weblog: Will War Breed Hate Crimes Against Muslims, Christians, or Both?" | Christianity Today | A Magazine of Evangelical Conviction

    Many Christians and non believers alike are in favor of the war(s). Few people of any stripe just want to "kill Muslims".

    And many believers would like to see the wars end.

    But I have no doubt you'll have a hard time giving up the drug of hating those you don't understand. A bit ironic in light of your argument don't you think?

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    And nevermind the thousands of Libyans that have been killed while 0bama sat on his hands waiting for political cover from the UN.

    People die in civil wars. Look at our own civil war.
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I thought the UAE was also participating.
    The UAE's role is only humanitarian and Jordan is helping to provide logistics.
    "And in the end, we were all just humans, drunk on the idea that love, only love, could heal our brokenness."

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Approval from the UN is certainly not required.
    I didn't say it was required, I said it was the smart thing to do.

    Approval from Congress, for a lengthy engagement, is more highly desirable. Since we don't plan to have significant assets in play for long, Congressional approval probably wasn't needed. Since we aren't leading the effort, others countries, France, Britain and especially participation by Arab countries, a UN resolution makes perfect sense and was well done.
    I agree.

    We'll see if the coalition can hold together.
    Yep.
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by cAPSLOCK View Post
    Do you mean right wing evangelicals in general, or the one dimensional bigoted cartoon-like caricature I am beginning to believe you hold in your own mind?

    Love Your Muslim as Yourself | Christianity Today | A Magazine of Evangelical Conviction
    Peacemakers Seek to Show War from Point of View of Iraqi Civilians | Christianity Today | A Magazine of Evangelical Conviction
    "Weblog: Will War Breed Hate Crimes Against Muslims, Christians, or Both?" | Christianity Today | A Magazine of Evangelical Conviction

    Many Christians and non believers alike are in favor of the war(s). Few people of any stripe just want to "kill Muslims".

    And many believers would like to see the wars end.

    But I have no doubt you'll have a hard time giving up the drug of hating those you don't understand. A bit ironic in light of your argument don't you think?
    I'm talking about "Christians" that can justify the killing of tens of thousand of innocent civilians as we have done in Iraq, a country that never attacked us. They claim their ends justified their means, just as do the radical Islamists.
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    december, 07:

    “The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation,” Obama responded.

    “As Commander-in-Chief, the President does have a duty to protect and defend the United States,” Obama continued. “In instances of self-defense, the President would be within his constitutional authority to act before advising Congress or seeking its consent. History has shown us time and again, however, that military action is most successful when it is authorized and supported by the Legislative branch.”
    Obama: president does not have power under constitution to unilaterally attack

    today:

    President Barack Obama is facing growing anger from lawmakers who believe he overstepped his authority by launching missile strikes into Libya without first seeking the consent of Congress.

    The criticism is from all directions: from moderates, like Sens. Jim Webb (D-Va.) and Dick Lugar (R-Ind.); from those on the far left and right, like Reps. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) and Ron Paul (R-Texas), who believe the president acted outside the Constitution; and from the establishment on both sides, including House Democratic Caucus Chairman John Larson of Connecticut and Republican Rep. Candice Miller of Michigan, a self-described “hawk.”
    Did Obama lose Congress on Libya? - Jonathan Allen and Marin Cogan - POLITICO.com

    if it's a no fly zone, why are we attacking ground forces?

    if the mission is merely to protect civilians, why is gadaffi a bullseye?

    mission creep, anyone?

    if we're really in a support role, why are so many us missiles flying?

    why did hillary call the white house a bunch of amateurs?

    can you deny it?

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I didn't say it was required, I said it was the smart thing to do.
    To clarify, do you agree that the US reserves the right/privilege/authority (whatever) to unilaterally enter combat? With or without Congressional approval?

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