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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    From a public relations stand point, supporting Ghaddafi would be bad for us.
    Supporting Ghaddafi would be bad period.
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    He's assisting the UN forces humanitarian effort in protecting civilians, not making war.
    Oh. So when a liberal president blows people up in a nation not presently at war with the United States, he's a humanitarian?

    The real fact here is that Obama has wasted 112 or more Tomahawk cruise missiles on people who are not currently enemies of the United States when those assets are needed to defend troops the US has in the field facing the enemy in Afghanistan.

    What happened to the liberal mantra that the United States is not supposed to be the world's police force? Is that only applied when US military action would benefit the United States?

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    It is a war. No doubt. It is a perfectly legitimate war by the rules of Just War. Humanitarian Intervention.
    The US rules of war require a Congressional declaration of war.

    Was that issued?

    Which US interests were immediately threatened to require such actions today, and not earlier?

    Oh. Never mind. Yesterday was a golf day, wasn't it?

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Supporting Ghaddafi would be bad period.
    Intervening is bad, period. The US has better things to do.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    According to several here, Khadafi is just too powerful for the world too handle without the US.
    Obviously Obama felt the same. Either that or it's a slight of hand to get Libya's oil.

    Now doesn't that second line read utterly stupid? That is the retarded crap we had to and still have to listen to about Bush43 going into Iraq... and it wasn't a few guys on keyboards, but the entire mind numbed Left (minus Lieberman), and their leadership, many who voted to send troops... TWICE. A collective of politically motivated dolts that embraced the most hairbrained scheme to do what precisely? Try to bring down a popular president. Idiots.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    The US rules of war require a Congressional declaration of war.
    Rules are meant to be broken.
    Beside US rules are full of sh!t anyway.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    The real fact here is that Obama has wasted 112 or more Tomahawk cruise missiles on people who are not currently enemies of the United States when those assets are needed to defend troops the US has in the field facing the enemy in Afghanistan.
    Here's a map of Afghanistan:



    Here's a rough approximation of what those Tomahawk missiles are being launched from:



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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    It is in our national interests to see democracy spread through the Middle East and North Africa (and sub-Saharan Africa).
    yeah it would be, but that's not what's going to happen. Cascading revolutions enacted by street mobs rarely produce stable democracies. Look at France, look at ancient Rome, look to the birth of the Soviet Union, look to the failure of the Weimar Republic, not to mention Cambodia, China, and Cuba.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Operation Odyssey Dawn is commanded by US Navy Adm Samuel J Locklear aboard the command ship USS Mount Whitney. There are 24 NATO warships in this Mediterranean task force, plus an unknown number of submarines with SLCM capability. French and British theater commanders are also aboard the US command ship.

    The cruise missiles used against Libyan air defenses were a mix of old/new. The new models have the capability to loiter over a target and transmit real-time video images to command and control. The US will probably use Global Hawk drones to collect data for a BDA (Bomb Damage Assessment) report. Probably a six hour phase.

    Establishing and enforcing a no-fly zone over Libya is not all that difficult. But a no-fly zone is ineffective against Ghadaffi tanks and artillery. It seems to me that allied Western and Arab governments decided at the Paris summit yesterday to fully prosecute Ghadaffi ground forces threatening rebel held cities. If this is so, then the next 24-48 hours of air operations will be crucial, as Ghadaffi will surely strive to punch his ground forces into these cities to negate allied air power.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Here's a map of Afghanistan:



    Here's a rough approximation of what those Tomahawk missiles are being launched from:



    Anyone else see the problem?
    Yes.

    The problem is apparently that you can't find an image of a Los Angeles class submarine and can't find the mileage scale on your map. Perhaps your ignorance of the abilities of the TLAM are deliberate, but their range has been proven by presdient Clinton to be able to penetrate a camel's ass inside Osama bin Laden's summer vacation camp in, of all places, Afghanistgan, which by some strange coincidence, is where we currently have troops engaged in combat with a real enemy. Given that Tomahawk missiles cost something on the order of a half a million bucks apiece, and so should not be used lightly simply because a president on the golf course wants to save face because he's been upstaged by the French.

    Obama blew something like sixty million dollars yesterday for a cause that is none of America's business.

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