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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I'ma just gonna say one thing here.

    This is a brick wall but here goes anyway.

    Tomahawk missiles and air strikes < Full fledged invasion and regime change. 5000 American deaths. 32 500 American wounded.

    Just saying.
    A Geo Metro < Ford Expedition

    But they're both still automobiles.

    Just saying.
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Success on the battlefield comes from soldiers, leadership, firepower, maneuver and an ability to communicate. The Confederate Army with inferior weapons and inferior numbers beat the **** out of the Federals for two years, with superior soldiers and superior leadership.
    The Spartans were massacred at Thermopylae. They achieved nothing other than dying in place - albeit in a very spectacular manner.

    One does not preclude the other. It is best to have both.

    That said - Our society has forgotten that combat means casualties and that war is a dirty business. We have come to believe that no war will last longer than a week and we should never take more than 100 casualties.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, you're going to tell us how they were working for Bush. Yes? I bet you even believe that Obama was born in Kenya.
    I have never said 9/11 was an inside job, but it is an nice attempt to change the subject when you were stiil trying your best with the Russians did it too defense.

    Are you giving up on that one?
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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    The Spartans were massacred at Thermopylae. They achieved nothing other than dying in place - albeit in a very spectacular manner.

    One does not preclude the other. It is best to have both.

    That said - Our society has forgotten that combat means casualties and that war is a dirty business. We have come to believe that no war will last longer than a week and we should never take more than 100 casualties.
    The Spartans couldn't maneuver.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I have never said 9/11 was an inside job, but it is an nice attempt to change the subject when you were stiil trying your best with the Russians did it too defense.

    Are you giving up on that one?
    No matter how many times you claim that I made that comment, it'll still be a ****ing lie.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And? You can't win a war with air assets and combat multipliers, alone.
    Well, when we first went into Afghanistan, the Taliban were defeated (initially) due to our allies in the NA and our main weapons were air assets and SF

    Edit: Added the word intially
    "And in the end, we were all just humans, drunk on the idea that love, only love, could heal our brokenness."

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I never said that.
    If that is not what you were saying, than what is your response to these facts:

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Still sticking with the Russia did it too defense I see.

    "On May 25, 1994, the U.S. Senate Banking Committee released a report in which it was stated that "pathogenic (meaning 'disease producing'), toxigenic (meaning 'poisonous'), and other biological research materials were exported to Iraq pursuant to application and licensing by the U.S. Department of Commerce." It added: "These exported biological materials were not attenuated or weakened and were capable of reproduction."[30]

    The report then detailed 70 shipments (including Bacillus anthracis) from the United States to Iraqi government agencies over three years, concluding "It was later learned that these microorganisms exported by the United States were identical to those the UN inspectors found and recovered from the Iraqi biological warfare program."
    United States support for Iraq during the Iran
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    "On June 9, 1992, Ted Koppel reported on ABC's Nightline, "It is becoming increasingly clear that George Bush, operating largely behind the scenes throughout the 1980s, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam's Iraq into" the power it became",[5] and "Reagan/Bush administrations permitted—and frequently encouraged—the flow of money, agricultural credits, dual-use technology, chemicals, and weapons to Iraq."

    United States support for Iraq during the Iran

    "The National Security Archive at George Washington University has published a series of declassified U.S. documents detailing the U.S. embrace of Saddam Hussein in the early 1980’s. The collection of documents, published on the Web, include briefing materials, diplomatic reports of two Rumsfeld trips to Baghdad, reports on Iraqi chemical weapons use during the Reagan administration and presidential directives that ensure U.S. access to the region's oil and military expansion."

    "the documents we recently posted on the Internet demonstrate that the administration had U.S. intelligence reports indicating that Iraq was using chemical weapons, both against Iran and against Iraqi Kurdish insurgents, in the early 1980s, at the same time that it decided to support Iraq in the war. So U.S. awareness of Iraq's chemical warfare did not deter it from initiating the policy of providing intelligence and military assistance to Iraq. There were shipments of chemical weapons precursors from several U.S. companies to Iraq during the 1980s, but the U.S. government would deny that it was aware that these exports were intended to be used in the production of chemical weapons."

    "I believe that when the U.S. became aware of Iraq's chemical weapons use it should have used what influence it had to stop it. Doing so was actually incumbent upon the U.S. under international law. I believe the U.S. should have used its international influence, which is enormous, to do everything it could to end this war. It was an atrocity, resulting in hundreds of thousands of casualties."

    "The U.S., which followed developments in the Iran-Iraq war with extraordinary intensity, had intelligence confirming Iran's accusations, and describing Iraq's "almost daily" use of chemical weapons, concurrent with its policy review and decision to support Iraq in the war [Document 24]. The intelligence indicated that Iraq used chemical weapons against Iranian forces, and, according to a November 1983 memo, against "Kurdish insurgents" as well [Document 25].

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Spartans couldn't maneuver.
    Morale shifts quickly. Usually, the underdog who shows uncommon valor and does exceptionally well is the exception, not the rule, which is why we admire and sometimes immortalize these cases. I think technological advantage is a natural evolution for a superior foe. Technology gives you the luxury of pulling back and arial-bombing for another week before resuming the advance if the foe is extremely determined.

    But then again, the alert, aggressive, well-trained guy with the .38 snubbie has a good chance of killing the less-trained predator with a cutting-edge glock with all the bells and whistles.

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    They were Saudi's, all but one.
    A clear case of Saudiphobia!

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    Re: U.S. Tomahawk Cruise Missiles Hit Targets in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    ROTFLOL... I guess these folks just fail to understand the technicalities
    LMAO. An opinion piece is how you define something...? That's quite a stretch, even for a conservative.

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