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French war planes hit four Libyan tanks-Jazeera

Councilman said:
I can't believe the French are leading the way when it should have been the US, but we have weakling sissy when what we need is a leader with guts.

I love the threats Obama made. "We won't use our troops or air power but you better do what we say."

What an amateur idiot. Doesn't he know you never telegraph your punches. Eve if you are not going to do something you want the enemy not knowing what might come next.

What a Maroon.

I salute the French. Rare for me.
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Europeans are incapable of a fight when it suits you guys.....and when it doesn't, its Obama's fault.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I see, do you have a citation for that quote?
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Sorry, I was elsewhere ...

" ...4. Authorizes Member States that have notified the Secretary-General, acting nationally or through regional organizations or arrangements, and acting in cooperation with the Secretary-General, to take all necessary measures, notwithstanding paragraph 9 of resolution 1970 (2011), to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including Benghazi, while excluding a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory, and requests the Member States concerned to inform the Secretary-General immediately of the measures they take pursuant to the authorization conferred by this paragraph which shall be immediately reported to the Security Council; ... "

UN security council resolution 1973 (2011) on Libya
 
apdst said:
I hope they have them well marked, so there are no mistakes and be damn sure to be up on the UN's push, so they can communicate.
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No-fly zone means no-fly zone. They'll probably leave it on the ground.
 
I'm just wondering why it's okay to directly intervene in Libya but not in places like Iran where there were massive student protests a while back and widespread massacres.

Foreign policy is not consistent.
 
Deuce said:
No-fly zone means no-fly zone. They'll probably leave it on the ground.
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Does that mean that the UN aircraft can't fly, either? That's not going to do much good.
 
kaya'08 said:
Europeans are incapable of a fight when it suits you guys.....and when it doesn't, its Obama's fault.
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If the Euros put a single round where it doesn't belong, I'm going to be all over it.
 
Temporal said:
I'm just wondering why it's okay to directly intervene in Libya but not in places like Iran where there were massive student protests a while back and widespread massacres.

Foreign policy is not consistent.
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I agree with what you're saying, but in all fairness, they have to pick the battles they can win. The Lefties have been harping for so many years demanding shake-n-bake wars, there's no way anyone has the balls to become involved in a protracted campaign.
 
apdst said:
If the Euros put a single round where it doesn't belong, I'm going to be all over it.
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koff koff... "American friendly fire" koff koff... :blastem: "arrgh!"
 
Infinite Chaos said:
koff koff... "American friendly fire" koff koff... :blastem: "arrgh!"
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That's right and that's allllllllllllllllllllll we ever heard. Shoes on the other foot, now.
 
apdst said:
That's right and that's allllllllllllllllllllll we ever heard. Shoes on the other foot, now.
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Yep. Just another reason why Obama's leadership in getting the French and British to be at the front of this is absolutely fantastic. I, too, am with you in being sick of America being expected to be the leading force in fixing everything wrong in the world, and then getting bitched at when there are the inevitable collateral damages. On that, I agree with conservatives wholeheartedly.
 
Gardener said:
If the U.S. had taken the initiative, it would have been spun by the Anti-Americans as yet one more example of Americam imperialism, and there would have been a backlash against it. By allowing the French and Brits to be front and center, this backlash is averted, and the campaign can more easily move forward.
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I never said a word about the US acting alone unilaterally. I'm talking about taking the lead.

France was first to recognize the Rebels to call for a no fly zone while Obama was playing golf and pretending to be a big sports authority fo ESPN.

Basically Obama is follower when we need a Leader that this wussy will never be.
With all his experience as a Community Organizer where all he did was make threats and intimidate maybe potential real power scars the jerk,
 
Dezaad said:
Yep. Just another reason why Obama's leadership in getting the French and British to be at the front of this is absolutely fantastic. I, too, am with you in being sick of America being expected to be the leading force in fixing everything wrong in the world, and then getting bitched at when there are the inevitable collateral damages. On that, I agree with conservatives wholeheartedly.
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Now, the world is going to see the U.S. should take the lead.
 
Temporal said:
I'm just wondering why it's okay to directly intervene in Libya but not in places like Iran where there were massive student protests a while back and widespread massacres.

Foreign policy is not consistent.
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It is inaccurate to compare intervening in Iran and intervening in Libya. From a strategic perspective it is far easier to intervene in Libya and would require less resources. They also lack a centralized army and the very few elements of defence they do have is ill equipped. Supression of protests in Iran is not the same as what we are currently seeing in Libya. Also, any intervention in Iran would require a ground invasion, i cant see what good a no-fly zone would do.

I find it unlikely we could do to Iran what we are doing to Libya with strong regional support. It has nothing to do with consistency, you have just chosen two examples that are nothing alike from a military/strategic or foreign perspective. The cost of intervening in Iran at this point is far, far riskier.
 
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apdst said:
If the Euros put a single round where it doesn't belong, I'm going to be all over it.
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What are you talking about? So far all of the strikes conducted from the air onto Libyan targets have been by Europeans.

You've got nothing.
 
kaya'08 said:
What are you talking about? So far all of the strikes conducted from the air onto Libyan targets have been by Europeans.

You've got nothing.
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Yeah, and if a single civilian gets hemoroids, because of the fire, I'm going to beat the hell out of ya'll over it, too.

Let's don't start sucking each other's dicks just yet; this deal is only 12 hours old.
 
apdst said:
Yeah, and if a single civilian gets hemoroids, because of the fire, I'm going to beat the hell out of ya'll over it, too.

Let's don't start sucking each other's dicks just yet; this deal is only 12 hours old.
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You seem to think you guys jumped into the Iraq/Afghan boat alone. :roll:
 
kaya'08 said:
You seem to think you guys jumped into the Iraq/Afghan boat alone. :roll:
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Were were 90% alone.

When the going got tough, the Euros got going...right on back to the house. :rofl
 
Interesting. The world is becoming a very interesting place these days.

War is not a chess game folks. I'm sure you won't be so eager for war if your own life was on the line.
 
Animus said:
Interesting. The world is becoming a very interesting place these days.

War is not a chess game folks. I'm sure you won't be so eager for war if your own life was on the line.
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All wars are political. War is a continuation of politics...
 
apdst said:
Yeah, and if a single civilian gets hemoroids, because of the fire, I'm going to beat the hell out of ya'll over it, too.
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you sound rather excited about the possibility of proving a point. remember that innocent civillians will have to die for that to happen and it would be nice if you didn't act so happy about it.

being right is not always the most important thing.
 
Councilman said:
I can't believe the French are leading the way when it should have been the US, but we have weakling sissy when what we need is a leader with guts.

I love the threats Obama made. "We won't use our troops or air power but you better do what we say."

What an amateur idiot. Doesn't he know you never telegraph your punches. Eve if you are not going to do something you want the enemy not knowing what might come next.

What a Maroon.

I salute the French. Rare for me.
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No, I want that Harvard lawyer son of a bitch to get a god damn declaration of war before he fires a single bullet. After 8 year of hell the ****ing liberals put us through, I want him to ****ing justify his ****ing hypocracy. I want a god damn declaration of war!!!!
 
Serenity said:
you sound rather excited about the possibility of proving a point. remember that innocent civillians will have to die for that to happen and it would be nice if you didn't act so happy about it.

being right is not always the most important thing.
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Don't try to turn this around, this is about hypocracy. We're not pulling the trigger here, your god boy is doing it now. Plan on hearing about this hypocracy of a long, long time.
 
American said:
Don't try to turn this around, this is about hypocracy. We're not pulling the trigger here, your god boy is doing it now. Plan on hearing about this hypocracy of a long, long time.
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who is my god boy?
 
apdst said:
Were were 90% alone.

When the going got tough, the Euros got going...right on back to the house. :rofl
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You have concluded that happened because we couldn't stomach the fight? That's because you know nothing about European politics, only things that let you douse your over zealous patriotism in lube. Once we couldn't find a drop of nuclear material in Iraq the war become impossible to justify continuing and it lost major support in Europe thereafter. European leaders are clearly far more sensitive to public opinio and the maintaining of forces there seriously hurt the credibility of many politicians.

We pulled out because we couldn't afford it anymore both economically and politically. Even Obama played on ending the Iraq war to gain votes.
 
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