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    Re: Obama Warns Libya on Allied Action

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Considering the fact conspiracy retards have done any and everything they can to undermine the Afghanistan and Iraq war with stupid ass conspiracies like this war is for oil, the government really masterminded 9-11, Bush lied for war, this war is to help Cheny's buddies in Halliburton and other retarded conspiracy nonsense as well as some of these politicians tossing the salad of anti-war trash for votes can you be surprised that Obama doesn't really want to involve the US in another war?

    Sure most of the anti-war trash would give Obama a pass. But hypocrites republicans and even some republican commentators would most certainly give Obama **** and make up retarded anti-Obama conspiracy theories for our involvement in Libya. They would probably throw in some birther-retard nonsense that Obama was helping some relatives in Libya or that Obama is helping out fellow muslims or some other retarded nonsense. And while all that crap is going on conservative and perceived conservative pundits would be calling Obama a hypocrite for tossing the salad of anti-war trash for votes and then getting us involved in Libya.
    And they'd be correct. Especially since he hasn't sought a declaration of war, which the left gave us endless **** about. For once I don't think we need to be involved, let Europe handle something for a change. They wanted to be the Big EU, okay fellas, here's your chance.
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    Re: Obama Warns Libya on Allied Action

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    I believe you are absolutely correct. He's a Global Leftist who carries himself as a global citizen first before he carries himself as an American citizen. He's playing the role of the leader of the free world from an anti-American's position. It doesn't work.
    That's how any Muslim would do it. Gaddafi better take heed, because the warning is coming from a fellow Muslim, not some infidel.

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    Re: Obama Warns Libya on Allied Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Fools rush to war, too bad its a lesson unlearned in this country.
    No, you just managed to allow the media to teach you the wrong lesson. We should never go to war with a fool in charge. First of all, Iraq was 12 years in the making. Hardly rushing. And second, every tactical pain the military went through in Iraq was because of civilian fools who deemeed themselves more talented than axctual war planners in uniform.

    All activity in Libya is coming out of AFRICOM. This is a huge difference from having all orders and plans coming from a group of clowns in Washington wishing to play G.I. Joe without the responsibility of having earned it. The moment a SECDEF, who has no military experience whatsoever, preaches to know better than Generals, who have spent their entire lives studying war, you have your fool.

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    Re: Obama Warns Libya on Allied Action

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Civilians... those people are insurgents!

    (why does that sound familiar?)
    Wrong question. You should ask why you are going to hear it for decades. Getting the answer to that will reveal a lot of what has been going on even before we finally fought back.

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    Re: Obama Warns Libya on Allied Action

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Pick up the phone? Who's he gonna call? Al-Queda?

    It makes strategic sense if you think about it from a foreigners point of view.

    As soon as American boots hit the ground, it's an occupation. That gives the whackos in caves ammo to feed their followers to recruit people to try to kill us. As long as its American bombs and not boots, nobody can call it an "occupation."
    I'm not picking on you. You aren't the only one skimming the surface and assuming a safety posture on this thread. But did the media provide you this theory recently? It seeems to be the Washington concensus of late. I would think by now that when people see a difference of opinion between the military and our civilian handlers (who are always so very safe from harm) that people would step back and question the theories...

    First of all, without any occupation anywhere in the Middle East, Saayid Qutb branded the US as the "enemy of God." His extremely famous writings in the 1950s are root instructions and legitimization for every single radical nut job between Cairo and Islamabad. Every "good" Muslims holds them dear as a guarantee of God's favor. These writings are Muslim Brotherhood celebrated and virtually every single Sunni terrorist has been a member. Therefore, hating us doesn't take "occupation."

    All they need now is an excuse to fight for God. With Mullahs declaring Pikachu as a Japanese attempt to divert the attention of the children of the world away from God, there is nothing that we can do to convince the faithful that we are not their enemy. With globalization spreading Western culture, especially American, across the world since the 1950s, there is nothing we can do to prevent the "assault on Islam." We do not occupy Jordan, yet thousands of Sunni gave their lives in Iraq to defend the tribe (not God). We do not occupy Iran, yet Iranian leaders have spent 32 years using our past presence to gain support at election polls. We were not occupying Iraq, yet being blamed for the "starving children" by Osama Bin Laden and his ilk (rightfully so I might add). We were not occupying Afghanistan before 9/11 and we gave their monsters their "freedom" to oppress and abuse. We were not occupying Libya, yet Guddafi used our position within Islam as his rallying cry to fight the radical fight (before Reagan bombed out his family). We have been the only nation on Earth that has been trying so hard to being peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians. We have done so without occupation. Yet because we won't allow the Arab masses to commit Israeli genocide from decade to decade we give them excuse. In other words, merely conducting business with governments allows any Muslim in the region a way to blame the "foriegn devil" so that they don't have to blame their own rotten culture, thereby questioning God. Every bad mistake or malicious social abuse committed by a Muslims seems to easily get to be pinned on America. And the Western masses have eaten this garbage up. Why? Because it means that they don't have to think about it. Self-flaggelation is always so self-righteous. But the truth is that, even those who are rather fond of tearing down their own Western governments for every imperfection in the colonial and Cold War past, find themselves refusing responisbility for the present and future. We have saved the lives of Muslims in Bosnia and Kuwait. We rid Afghanis of the Taliban. We gave Iraqis the power to ignite democracy and social justice in the region. Before this, we spared the entire region the pain of being influenced by the Soviets (ask any Muslim in the Caucusus or Afghanistan how that feels). Yet, we are the "Great Satan" and all that is wrong in the region? One might assume that their are no mirrors in the Middle East.

    YET...people have been fooled into thinking the simple and assuming that if we just only didn't put a base in Saudi than all would be right in the world. Well, too bad. If the Middle East wants to have a place in this world, then their radical base has to accept what that means. It means an influx of global culture. It means (and as can be seen by the latest Arab League's desparate plea to America) that begging for outside help in ordeer to deal with their own cultural creations means a presence of some kind. It means that as far back as Saddam's invasion into Kuwait that their Arab leaders have done nothing to guarantee the Muslim people that they are being taken care of. Try as they may, they can not turn back the clock to the so called "Golden Age of Islam." Muslims can't bring back Muhammad anymore than Christians can bring back Jesus.

    Afghanistan - Iraq - Tunisia - Egypt - Libya - Yemen (actually a dangerous one) - Saudi Arabia - Jordan - Pakistan - and every other place where the theme of religion is the same, the theme of social justice is the same, the theme of radicalization is the same, the theme of poverty and absent education is the same, and the demand for prosperity and a future is the same, has always been about the same damn effort your military men and women have been struggling with since 9/11. Pretending that they are separate because your map shows a bad border on it is foolish. Most of the Middle East don't recognize these lines.

    A beareded old man in a cave was always for the simple folk. He and every other mouthpiece or explosion have always been mere symptoms of a larger disease. They all come from somewhere. And since somewhere is a region then we must start adressing the woes of this region. It was always going to happen. Hundreds of millions of people don't go through European colonialism and Cold War prescription to maintain those prior greedy and selfish mistakes without a consequence. Yugoslavia cracking apart was a mere concidence to the end of the Cold War? Hussein's invasion into Kuwait was mere coincidence? Genocide in Rwanda and Sudan was mere coincidence? The freedom of the Middle Eastern radical base to unify into a boom of organizational growth was a coincidence? The people are finally screaming for something better than the dictator on their own now. Simple people, who were without analysis and proper practicalism criticized "democracy in Iraq" and assumed to be able to point out that our bombs can't force it. I argued then that that was not the future for this region. Well, here we are with the Middle East rising up against their leaders without our bombs and we sit back and pretend that we are clueless or that we don't know who to support. We have an obligation to assist those people not only for them, but for us. The Cold War is long over. It's past time to start acting like it.

    Who gives a **** if they call it an occupation? The most powerful nation in history is actually afraid of a bunch of religious fanatics that make up an extreme minority in the region. We aren't deserving of our historical status of late. Especially when a bunch of Qu'ran wielding ignorant murderers get to call the shots of our activity. If only they were wielding Bibles or defending the Ten Commandments on a court house wall. Then we would know the danger and demand "right," huh?
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    Re: Obama Warns Libya on Allied Action

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Maybe it's short term memory loss... but here's what you said:

    Doesn't matter how he responds or when he responds - they stopped taking us seriously the moment Obama's ass was put in the Oval Office.

    So apparently they did take us serious when someone as stupid as Bush was in office.
    I don't think Saddam took Bush serious ... at first. I'm guessing later on he took Bush very serious.

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    Re: Obama Warns Libya on Allied Action

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I was very surprised to hear him say "no troops on the ground." Not that I would support that, but why in the world would the leader of the free world tip his hand like that? It makes no strategic sense to me at all. We were coming out and announcing we were in full support of, and would coordinate, a no-fly zone. That's alllll that needed to be said. (If he was worried about what other countries would think, he could have picked up the phone.) Very strange.
    I think he wanted EVERYBODY to know that we are not going to do real war. No body bags on his watch. I pilot getting shot down just doesn't seem to carry the same weight.

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    Re: Obama Warns Libya on Allied Action

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    I don't think Saddam took Bush serious ... at first. I'm guessing later on he took Bush very serious.

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    Bush put every dictator in the world on notice with Iraq. Why do you think so many of them publicly condemned it? Why do you think the UN was enslaved to supporting the dictator's position? It was up to future Presidents to use that threat to lean on brutal monsters, especially in this region. Of course, most of the West couldn't bring themselves to see it this way and they were too caught up in desinging excuses for their lack of integrity, morality and lack of vision...and blaming Bush because they had to do it. Just the threat of the military would have been enough to back Gudaffi and others off their people. But over the last two years the entire world has heard the Oval Office apologizing and ensuring that "we now know our place." Would we have had to do anything over Libya had we a President that Gudaffi took serious? In the end, it's our troops that have to go and re-teach the lesson.
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    Re: Obama Warns Libya on Allied Action

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    I think he wanted EVERYBODY to know that we are not going to do real war. No body bags on his watch. I pilot getting shot down just doesn't seem to carry the same weight.
    Yeah, he can always pass the empty body bags off to the next President who has to face a more dangerous and built up situation. That's the beauty of our political system. It can always be someone else's problem. Of course, by then there are always more body bags to fill but who cares about the troop really? Let this region go straight to hell. See how many body bags we fill then as we pamper our delusional image today.

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    Re: Obama Warns Libya on Allied Action

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    No, you just managed to allow the media to teach you the wrong lesson. We should never go to war with a fool in charge. First of all, Iraq was 12 years in the making. Hardly rushing. And second, every tactical pain the military went through in Iraq was because of civilian fools who deemeed themselves more talented than axctual war planners in uniform.

    All activity in Libya is coming out of AFRICOM. This is a huge difference from having all orders and plans coming from a group of clowns in Washington wishing to play G.I. Joe without the responsibility of having earned it. The moment a SECDEF, who has no military experience whatsoever, preaches to know better than Generals, who have spent their entire lives studying war, you have your fool.
    Yes, we have been so wise to spend ourselves into a hole in 2 wars with nothing to show for it! Brilliant plan!
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