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Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

Don't think this retraining order will hold up under scrutiny. Seems more like a delay tactic than a serious effort to show the law was passed improperly. There's also some accusations that this Dane County Judge, has a bit of a activist background, but it doesn't really matter much. Let's let the law take it's course - of course this is just more time and opportunity for Trumka to bus in more union activists to scream and yell for another week or two.
 
If Walker thought he was doing the correct thing, he should have mentioned it in his campaign, not spring it on the electorate once he took office. The guy is an authoritarian dictator or should I say dick tator.

I asked you this in the other thread, but you ignored the question... let's try again, shall we???

Are elected officials ONLY allowed/supposed to address issues they campaigned on, and nothing else? Multiple posters have whined like little girls about how 'Walker never even campaigned on that issue', like it matters.
 
If Walker thought he was doing the correct thing, he should have mentioned it in his campaign, not spring it on the electorate once he took office. The guy is an authoritarian dictator or should I say dick tator.

That is soooooo weak. He should have said it in his campaign? Gee, why dont ALL the politicians running just write a book about everything they are going to do and how they are going to do it before they get elected? Your argument is assinine.
In any case Walker is a hero in my book. State unions should not exist.
 
That is soooooo weak. He should have said it in his campaign? Gee, why dont ALL the politicians running just write a book about everything they are going to do and how they are going to do it before they get elected? Your argument is assinine.
In any case Walker is a hero in my book. State unions should not exist.

The standard rational rules don't apply when speaking about Walker. If he didn't mention it before being elected, he obviously cannot have the idea, change his mind, have a new thought or action once he IS elected.[/sarc]
 
Why take the judge's decision out on the state union workers? Who's not making sense now? It was the Republican dominated conference committee that may have violated the state's open meetings law; your anger should be directed at them for such a basic and easily avoided mistake.

Unions need to shut up or put up. The Republicans and Walker are freakin' heros! If one of the most common sense laws gets defeated and those democrats that run away from responsibility dont vote on it then the next step needs to be taken. FIRE them! Fire the greedy state union workers! They brought this upon THEMSELVES!
 
Unions need to shut up or put up. The Republicans and Walker are freakin' heros! If one of the most common sense laws gets defeated and those democrats that run away from responsibility dont vote on it then the next step needs to be taken. FIRE them! Fire the greedy state union workers! They brought this upon THEMSELVES!

Again, who's not making sense now. The judge's decision is based solely on the misbehavior of the Republican controlled legislative committee not the state union workers. All this misdirected venting is as ineffectual as Republicans holding a legislative conference meeting without giving 24 hours notice.
 
Hmmmm...

I'm on two sides of the fence here.

Public sector employees are under the Tax Payers scrutiny.

No one forces anyone to work for the Public Sector.

HOWEVER.

Given todays circumstances working for the Public Sector is very desirable and I can see why.

I support unions.

They protect the workers. They address legetimate worker concerns.

But I cannot stress enough how important the following word is.

BALANCE.

Balance means the difference between corporate or government tyranny, and public sector vs. private sector union run amock.

Balance is key.

Where that balance lies. I do not have the answer.

As McCain would say...

"I'm not an expert on some of this stuff"
 
I read a quote from the judge the other day. By reading between the lines, I knew this would be her decision. Seemed to me she really had her mind made up before even hearing any arguments.

Wis. judge pushes back hearing on union bill lawsuit, says decision won't come soon | StarTribune.com

Judge Maryann Sumi (SOO'-mee) told attorneys she'll hold a hearing on Friday. She may decide whether to block publication that day if she's comfortable, but said she won't rule on the rest of the case that day.

She says she'll be out all next week and warned that no one should expect a quick resolution.
 
If Walker thought he was doing the correct thing, he should have mentioned it in his campaign, not spring it on the electorate once he took office. The guy is an authoritarian dictator or should I say dick tator.

All people had to do was look at his record. He's fought unions several times in his career.
 
Want me to find a media matters article arguing for my side so we can just post biased media sources to prove our point?

Are you saying the workers aren't forced into that HC plan?
 
This is the WORST decision this judge could make. I think I need to give this jackass judge a call and tell him where to stick his decision!!! :2mad:

This new law needs to go into effect NOW!

It was just about the only decision the judge could make. The law is being challenged in court, and if he does not block it and the law is found to be inappropriate, major damage is done to the unions and those they represent. If the law is upheld, then this just delays it. Really, whether you are for or against the law, I am struggling to see how you could find this ruling inappropriate. The job of judges is not to do what you want them to, it is to do their best to do what is right and fair, which sometimes means things you won't like.

Let me give you an example: DADT was rules unconstitutional last year, as was DOMA and prop 8. Three big wins for gay rights(an issue I am highly motivated on). In all 3 cases it was rules that the laws should stay implemented until they had made it through the next case. While I would much prefer to have had all three thrown out right on the spot, I agree that holding them, logically, was the right thing to do, despite not wanting that.
 
Hmmmm...

I'm on two sides of the fence here.

Public sector employees are under the Tax Payers scrutiny.

No one forces anyone to work for the Public Sector.

HOWEVER.

Given todays circumstances working for the Public Sector is very desirable and I can see why.

I support unions.

They protect the workers. They address legetimate worker concerns.

But I cannot stress enough how important the following word is.

BALANCE.

Balance means the difference between corporate or government tyranny, and public sector vs. private sector union run amock.

Balance is key.

Where that balance lies. I do not have the answer.

As McCain would say...

"I'm not an expert on some of this stuff"

Thanks Prof Boogieman :mrgreen:
 
I asked you this in the other thread, but you ignored the question... let's try again, shall we???

Are elected officials ONLY allowed/supposed to address issues they campaigned on, and nothing else? Multiple posters have whined like little girls about how 'Walker never even campaigned on that issue', like it matters.

Wonder why PB is scared to answer this? Too direct a question I guess. No way to dance around it. Typical.
 
Wonder why PB is scared to answer this? Too direct a question I guess. No way to dance around it. Typical.

Methinks you are missing the point of the complaint :shrug:
 
Wonder why PB is scared to answer this? Too direct a question I guess. No way to dance around it. Typical.

So what is your opinion on the judges ruling? You know, the topic of the thread that you have not addressed.
 
Are you saying the workers aren't forced into that HC plan?

All workers are forced into the plans that their employer offer. In the article your page links to it explains that the union and the officials liked the slightly more expensive choice because the cheaper one that that one district switched too limited your choices of hospital and doctor's. After you read all of the articles that are linked from that piece of dog**** you linked too then maybe we can have a discussion. I won't debate a blog titled "hot air" though. :)
 
'Dane County District Attorney Ismael Ozanne is seeking to block the law because he says a legislative committee violated the state's open meetings law'If the proper process was not followed, it is not valid.

Keep in mind, they don't report those facts on the fair and balanced station.
 
Then Walker needs to immediatly fire / layoff state union workers.

People who took a job, agreed to a contract, and worked that job. Fire them to pay off the debt caused by giving away tax breaks to big businesses.

They could raise property taxes slightly. Or raise the cheese tax.
 
People who took a job, agreed to a contract, and worked that job. Fire them to pay off the debt caused by giving away tax breaks to big businesses.

They could raise property taxes slightly. Or raise the cheese tax.

That's essentially it. Cut subsidies and give aways and other benefits given to corporations and such. You may have to raise taxes since we're hurting so bad now in order to cover the short term. But these people signed contracts, they are adults and they have the right to contract.

In the end, I don't even see why any of this was necessary. It's my understanding that the unions agreed to the wage cuts now so long as they were allowed the chance to renegotiate their contracts when the economy improved. If that's the case, why was any of this necessary in the first place?
 
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