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    Re: Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yep, just look at what libs do when in power.


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    First, I saw no examples from you.

    Second, Ronald Reagan, patron saint of modern Republicansim, is famous for saying that the most dangerous words in the English language are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." So we have the less than wonderful situation in Michigan where the acolytes who worship Reagan are now bringing in Big Government to throw out locally elected people and impose dictatorships selected by one man in the State Capitol. The Gipper must be rolling over in his grave. Lincoln famously said that America had "a government of the people, by the people, and for the people". I guess he would not recognize the government that Republicans in the Michigan Legislature has now imposed over this state with the Emergency Manager Law signed into law by Governor Snyder just this week.
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    Re: Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    First, I saw no examples from you.

    Second, Ronald Reagan, patron saint of modern Republicansim, is famous for saying that the most dangerous words in the English language are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." So we have the less than wonderful situation in Michigan where the acolytes who worship Reagan are now bringing in Big Government to throw out locally elected people and impose dictatorships selected by one man in the State Capitol. The Gipper must be rolling over in his grave. Lincoln famously said that America had "a government of the people, by the people, and for the people". I guess he would not recognize the government that Republicans in the Michigan Legislature has now imposed over this state.
    Please link to a reliable source with the details of where this has actually happened.

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    Re: Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

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    Please link to a reliable source with the details of where this has actually happened.
    sure... is the WSJ good enough for you?

    Michigan Boosts Power to Intervene in Cities - WSJ.com

    If that is not up to par for your standards, just do your own google search - this was covered all over the country.
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    Re: Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    sure... is the WSJ good enough for you?

    Michigan Boosts Power to Intervene in Cities - WSJ.com

    If that is not up to par for your standards, just do your own google search - this was covered all over the country.
    Odd... I don't see the word 'dictator' anywhere in there.

    The law, which the Republican governor signed late Wednesday, beefs up the 1990 Emergency Financial Manager Act by giving a state-appointed manager the power to set aside labor contracts, fire local officials and even dissolve a community or school district.

    "The goal is to allow the state to intervene at an earlier stage, so an emergency financial manager can be avoided altogether," Mr. Snyder said in a statement. "If, however, an emergency manager is needed, then they need the tools to properly address these challenges."
    So, this has been around since 1990, and you're whining about it now?

    This sounds like an excellent idea.

    Here's the 1990 law... you might want to actually read it before you continue to whine like a little girl.
    TREASURY - How a Financial Emergency Works

    BTW, that 1990 law was signed by John Blanchard, a Democrat.

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    Re: Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    First, I saw no examples from you.

    Second, Ronald Reagan, patron saint of modern Republicansim, is famous for saying that the most dangerous words in the English language are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." So we have the less than wonderful situation in Michigan where the acolytes who worship Reagan are now bringing in Big Government to throw out locally elected people and impose dictatorships selected by one man in the State Capitol. The Gipper must be rolling over in his grave. Lincoln famously said that America had "a government of the people, by the people, and for the people". I guess he would not recognize the government that Republicans in the Michigan Legislature has now imposed over this state with the Emergency Manager Law signed into law by Governor Snyder just this week.

    sure... is the WSJ good enough for you?

    Michigan Boosts Power to Intervene in Cities - WSJ.com

    If that is not up to par for your standards, just do your own google search - this was covered all over the country.

    Oh my God! Snyder want's to save the state from actual bankruptcy....ARGHHHHH!

    How deceptive do you libs have to be?

    I grew up in Lansing, all my life until I joined the military and got the hell out as that state under demo government/Union control was starting to slide into the third world mess we see there now. Too bad really because MI is a beautiful state.

    But if you are really going to come in here and blame the current state of Michigan on Snyder, and bellyache because he is trying to come up with a solution to these bloated Union contracts without a WI style standoff, or truly heavy handedness, then you are either ignorant to what the article lays out, or you just don't want to know.

    Which is it?

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    Re: Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh my God! Snyder want's to save the state from actual bankruptcy....ARGHHHHH!

    How deceptive do you libs have to be?

    I grew up in Lansing, all my life until I joined the military and got the hell out as that state under demo government/Union control was starting to slide into the third world mess we see there now. Too bad really because MI is a beautiful state.

    But if you are really going to come in here and blame the current state of Michigan on Snyder, and bellyache because he is trying to come up with a solution to these bloated Union contracts without a WI style standoff, or truly heavy handedness, then you are either ignorant to what the article lays out, or you just don't want to know.

    Which is it?

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    Why would you quote what I said about the EMF law and how it takes away the rights of citizens to have their own local government and then attempt to create your own Frankenstien monster and ask me some incredibly absurd question about blaming Snyder for Michigans economic problems? Do you feel at all guilty when you are so blatantly intellectually dishonest?

    Deal with the law as it is and not your own strawman please.

    This is BIG GOVERNMENT writ large and would make Ronald Reagan die of a heart attack if he had not already met his maker.
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    Re: Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    First, I saw no examples from you.

    Second, Ronald Reagan, patron saint of modern Republicansim, is famous for saying that the most dangerous words in the English language are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." So we have the less than wonderful situation in Michigan where the acolytes who worship Reagan are now bringing in Big Government to throw out locally elected people and impose dictatorships selected by one man in the State Capitol. The Gipper must be rolling over in his grave. Lincoln famously said that America had "a government of the people, by the people, and for the people". I guess he would not recognize the government that Republicans in the Michigan Legislature has now imposed over this state with the Emergency Manager Law signed into law by Governor Snyder just this week.
    Again this is a play right out of Obama's play book is it not ?

    If the financial regulation bill that passed the House last year becomes law, President Obama and his Treasury secretary will acquire the right to take over any financial institution they wish to, provided that, in their sole opinion, it is both "too big to fail" and on the brink of insolvency. The House bill provides for no judicial review and does not require any objective evidence of imminent failure to trigger the takeover provisions.

    Good for the goose ... .good for the gander.

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    Re: Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why would you quote what I said about the EMF law and how it takes away the rights of citizens to have their own local government and then attempt to create your own Frankenstien monster and ask me some incredibly absurd question about blaming Snyder for Michigans economic problems? Do you feel at all guilty when you are so blatantly intellectually dishonest?

    Deal with the law as it is and not your own strawman please.

    This is BIG GOVERNMENT writ large and would make Ronald Reagan die of a heart attack if he had not already met his maker.

    Let's go to your own article posted from WSJ shall we?

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    DETROIT—Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder signed into law a measure that broadens state powers to intervene in the finances and governance of struggling municipalities and school districts, giving these local bodies a stronger hand in renegotiating labor contracts.
    Because this isn't about the state taking over local government at all. See this is how dishonest the liberal argument is. In the opening sentence of YOUR own article it clearly states that it gives the state a little more power to intervene into local school districts with help, thereby strengthening their hand in negotiating contracts. But since you see anything that a Union might have to give up in terms of perks as an attack on the unions regardless of whether or not it can be afforded you just come in here an outright lie about what it is that Snyder is doing.

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    Re: Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Let's go to your own article posted from WSJ shall we?



    Because this isn't about the state taking over local government at all. See this is how dishonest the liberal argument is. In the opening sentence of YOUR own article it clearly states that it gives the state a little more power to intervene into local school districts with help, thereby strengthening their hand in negotiating contracts. But since you see anything that a Union might have to give up in terms of perks as an attack on the unions regardless of whether or not it can be afforded you just come in here an outright lie about what it is that Snyder is doing.

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    I'm still waiting for Hay to comment on the fact that a Democrat put the 1990 law into place anyway. All this does is strengthen what a Democrat did... and Hay's going all hissy-fitty over it... And yes, it doesn't even do what hay claims it does (as you showed using Hay's own link). He and PB are getting quite adept at posting links that bolster the opposite of their arguments! :

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    Re: Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    the third world mess we see there now.
    pfft.

    A first worlder talking about the third world so candidly.

    Amusing

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