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    Re: Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

    Is this an problem for the liberals?
    "This is a problem. Judge Maryann Sumi should have recused herself entirely from the Wisconsin battle due to her inability to be neutral in this case. You see, Maryann Sumi has a clear conflict of interest. Her son is a political operative who also happens to be a former lead field manager with the AFL-CIO and data manager for the SEIU State Council. Both the SEIU and the AFL-CIO have members who are public-sector employees in Wisconsin. In fact, as a federation, the AFL-CIO can boast of several member-unions that represent public-sector employees. Maryann Sumi is hardly an unbiased judge in the matter."

    "On Friday, unions scored a temporary victory to maintain their ability to collect union dues from Wisconsin public employees when Judge Maryann Sumi (the same judge who refused to order striking teachers back to work in February) issued a Temporary Restraining Order preventing the implementation of Wisconsin’s new law governing public-sector unions."


    Conflict of interest. Yes, there is.

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    Re: Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Why do you say that?


    What evidence do you have that he's a puppet?

    We know that's the case with the Gov -- (see phone call w/ fake Koch brother) -- we know who pulls his strings. But if you're going to accuse the judge, better have something to back it up.
    I am going to ask a specific which I know you probably will ignore, as most flame throwers do, but what exactly in that fake phone call was damning to Walker?


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    Re: Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by Candice Lynn View Post
    Is this an problem for the liberals?
    "This is a problem. Judge Maryann Sumi should have recused herself entirely from the Wisconsin battle due to her inability to be neutral in this case. You see, Maryann Sumi has a clear conflict of interest. Her son is a political operative who also happens to be a former lead field manager with the AFL-CIO and data manager for the SEIU State Council. Both the SEIU and the AFL-CIO have members who are public-sector employees in Wisconsin. In fact, as a federation, the AFL-CIO can boast of several member-unions that represent public-sector employees. Maryann Sumi is hardly an unbiased judge in the matter."

    "On Friday, unions scored a temporary victory to maintain their ability to collect union dues from Wisconsin public employees when Judge Maryann Sumi (the same judge who refused to order striking teachers back to work in February) issued a Temporary Restraining Order preventing the implementation of Wisconsin’s new law governing public-sector unions."


    Conflict of interest. Yes, there is.
    let's examine real conflict of interest:
    The Supreme Court’s 5-4 decision in Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission, 130 S. Ct. 876 (2010), has had a dramatic impact, overturning prior Court precedent, ending restrictions on corporate and union political spending that had been in place since 1947, and fueling a surge in secret and independent spending in the 2010 elections. Outside groups spent more than $296 million on the 2010 Congressional midterms – a 330 percent increase over 2006 – with more than $135 million of that coming from undisclosed donors¸ according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.

    Since that decision, information has come to light that raises serious questions about the impartiality of Justices Thomas and Scalia in the Citizens United case. It appears both justices have participated in political strategy sessions, perhaps while the case was pending, with corporate leaders whose political aims were advanced by the decision. With respect to Justice Thomas, there may also be an undisclosed financial conflict of interest due to his wife’s role as CEO of Liberty Central, a 501(c)(4) organization that stood to benefit from the decision and played an active role in the 2010 elections. ...
    Letter to the Department of Justice re: Conflicts of Interest in the Citizens United case - Common Cause


    allow me to speculate that you see no problem with scalia and thomas sleeping with the parties at interest while you do have a problem with a judge whose son formerly worked for a union

    the hypocrisy would be laughable, if the importance were not so serious
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    Re: Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    let's examine real conflict of interest:

    Letter to the Department of Justice re: Conflicts of Interest in the Citizens United case - Common Cause


    allow me to speculate that you see no problem with scalia and thomas sleeping with the parties at interest while you do have a problem with a judge whose son formerly worked for a union

    the hypocrisy would be laughable, if the importance were not so serious
    Exactly and a perfect point to make. The connection between husband and wife is far more important than that of an adult son and his mother.
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    Re: Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

    I don't think either case is a conflict of interest. We should certainly be concerned when a judge performs activities or has (personal) financial connections that are questionable. What their family does should not be considered in isolation.

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    Re: Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

    The notion that public employees are paid "exclusively" with taxpayer dollars is a foolish notion. Just as the revenue that comes into the U.S. Treasure isn't all tax collections, nor is the revenue that comes into state budgets all taxes collected by its residents. There are several ways states bring in revenue among them:

    - interest on investments (stocks, [municiple] bonds which many states use to fund retirement accounts)

    - equipment/property sales

    - matching state & federal funds

    - federal grants/loans

    - taxes

    So, to say that ALL public employee pay comes from tax collection and only tax collect is a foolish argument. Tax revenue may make up the majority of any state's budget, but they are not the sole revenue source. In fact, for the department I work for in state government, 70% of our employee's salaries come directly from Medicaid-matching funds between the state and the fed. And it's been that way for over 20 years.

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    Re: Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    The notion that public employees are paid "exclusively" with taxpayer dollars is a foolish notion. Just as the revenue that comes into the U.S. Treasure isn't all tax collections, nor is the revenue that comes into state budgets all taxes collected by its residents. There are several ways states bring in revenue among them:

    - interest on investments (stocks, [municiple] bonds which many states use to fund retirement accounts)

    - equipment/property sales

    - matching state & federal funds

    - federal grants/loans

    - taxes

    So, to say that ALL public employee pay comes from tax collection and only tax collect is a foolish argument. Tax revenue may make up the majority of any state's budget, but they are not the sole revenue source. In fact, for the department I work for in state government, 70% of our employee's salaries come directly from Medicaid-matching funds between the state and the fed. And it's been that way for over 20 years.
    Nice try. Every asset, every Federal grant and loan, every piece of equipment and every smidgeon of interest collected on investments is taxpayer money. As for Federal -- that money belongs to the state, thus it belongs to the taxpayers. In fact, ya' don't even have to be a taxpayer for that money to belong to you. You just have to reside in Wisconsin.

    Your fancy math re your own department is just fun with numbers.
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    Re: Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...118594454.html

    Appeals panel: Supreme Court should take up collective bargaining law
    I would think that if the appeals court is kicking it up, they probably had a reason to think that judge Sumi was wrong in her original hold. It would have been very easy for them to just affirm, if they thought the ruling was legitimate.

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    Re: Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by Candice Lynn View Post
    Is this an problem for the liberals?
    "This is a problem. Judge Maryann Sumi should have recused herself entirely from the Wisconsin battle due to her inability to be neutral in this case. You see, Maryann Sumi has a clear conflict of interest. Her son is a political operative who also happens to be a former lead field manager with the AFL-CIO and data manager for the SEIU State Council. Both the SEIU and the AFL-CIO have members who are public-sector employees in Wisconsin. In fact, as a federation, the AFL-CIO can boast of several member-unions that represent public-sector employees. Maryann Sumi is hardly an unbiased judge in the matter."

    "On Friday, unions scored a temporary victory to maintain their ability to collect union dues from Wisconsin public employees when Judge Maryann Sumi (the same judge who refused to order striking teachers back to work in February) issued a Temporary Restraining Order preventing the implementation of Wisconsin’s new law governing public-sector unions."


    Conflict of interest. Yes, there is.
    Links to your source pls.

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    Re: Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    let's examine real conflict of interest:

    Letter to the Department of Justice re: Conflicts of Interest in the Citizens United case - Common Cause


    allow me to speculate that you see no problem with scalia and thomas sleeping with the parties at interest while you do have a problem with a judge whose son formerly worked for a union

    the hypocrisy would be laughable, if the importance were not so serious
    You're speculation would be incorrect. My momma taught me that no matter the number of wrongs, you can never make them right.

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