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    Re: Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    This is the WORST decision this judge could make. I think I need to give this jackass judge a call and tell him where to stick his decision!!!

    This new law needs to go into effect NOW!
    i think you need to do that
    and follow it up with a letter, expressing your outrage


    then tell us how that worked
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    Re: Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    They are public employees. They are paid out of tax revenues. Tax revenues are down because Wisconsinites are unemployed and more businesses are shuttering every day. Where is the money going to come from the insane ridiculous benefit and payment packages?
    Well, off the top of my head they could have asked the unions if they were willing to make concessions on pay and benefits to lower the amount of money the state pays out to employees, maybe they just might accept a deal like that and everything could be hunky-dory. Oh, wait. They did accept a deal like that and Scott Walker flushed it down the toilet like the stupid **** that he is and decided that he needed to get into a pissing match that in no way helps to alleviate the states budget problem. Be mad at that asshole, not the unions which accepted the pay decreases and benefit decreases.
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    Re: Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Well, off the top of my head they could have asked the unions if they were willing to make concessions on pay and benefits to lower the amount of money the state pays out to employees, maybe they just might accept a deal like that and everything could be hunky-dory. Oh, wait. They did accept a deal like that and Scott Walker flushed it down the toilet like the stupid **** that he is and decided that he needed to get into a pissing match that in no way helps to alleviate the states budget problem. Be mad at that asshole, not the unions which accepted the pay decreases and benefit decreases.
    In the long term getting rid of collective bargaining saves money as the unions won't beable to demand raises by way of threating strikes. It also stops unions from bargaining with the very people that they give money to in order to help get them elected. (in laymens terms its called legal bribe)

    What this bill ultimately does is make it to where the CITIZENS of WI can VOTE on whether public employees get a raise or not. As it should have been from the very begining.
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    Re: Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

    excellent ...

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    Re: Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

    I don't believe anyone involved with this didn't realize the vote was a violation of the Open Meetings law. I think this was gambit by the GOP to get some movement on the law, even one that is legally questionable, in order to stop the stalemate created by the walkout of the Dem 14. I don't know enough about Wisconsin law to guess at the next move by the Dems or the GOP, but it will be interesting.

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    Re: Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    In the long term getting rid of collective bargaining saves money as the unions won't beable to demand raises by way of threating strikes. It also stops unions from bargaining with the very people that they give money to in order to help get them elected. (in laymens terms its called legal bribe)

    What this bill ultimately does is make it to where the CITIZENS of WI can VOTE on whether public employees get a raise or not. As it should have been from the very begining.
    please show us a cite which evidences that the citizens will vote on the public employee raises

    as you have likely surmised, i don't believe that is the circumstance
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    Re: Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    please show us a cite which evidences that the citizens will vote on the public employee raises

    as you have likely surmised, i don't believe that is the circumstance
    Sorry, you were right. The raises will be tied to inflation.

    On Wednesday, the Senate and Assembly passed a resolution to form a conference committee, which then met to amend the bill by taking out the appropriations. The bill that passed would take away the ability of unions to bargain over pensions and health care, and would limit pay raises to inflation.
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    Still, it will save money in the long run and is still tied to something that is reasonable imo.
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    Re: Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Well, off the top of my head they could have asked the unions if they were willing to make concessions on pay and benefits to lower the amount of money the state pays out to employees, maybe they just might accept a deal like that and everything could be hunky-dory. Oh, wait. They did accept a deal like that and Scott Walker flushed it down the toilet like the stupid **** that he is and decided that he needed to get into a pissing match that in no way helps to alleviate the states budget problem. Be mad at that asshole, not the unions which accepted the pay decreases and benefit decreases.
    Here's the real reason collective bargaining needs reform.

    One reason why Wisconsin needed union reform: captive benefits Hot Air
    Some have called for Walker to reconsider his push to remove pensions and benefits from collective bargaining with public-employee unions as a compromise, but Gary Gross recalls a Patrick McIlheran column from December that explains exactly why Wisconsin needs to push for PEU reform now. The MSJ columnist wrote about the big stake that the Wisconsin Education Association has in forcing individual school districts to negotiate benefits — because they can demand that their own WEA Trust have a monopoly on health insurance
    When Walker says that the PEU reforms will allow counties, cities, and school districts more latitude in budget cuts, this is what he means. The protesters in Madison have avoided this particular point, perhaps because it exposes one of the real stakes in the fight. The WEA, perhaps the most powerful union in the state, makes a fortune off of selling its insurance at inflated prices to districts around the state. Milton, for instance, saved $382 per month per employee when it got an arbitrator to agree to end the WEA Trust concession. Spread that around to the thousands of teachers in Wisconsin, and taxpayers can get a pretty good idea what PEU reform might mean in reducing stressed budgets at every level of government in Wisconsin.
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    Re: Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Well, off the top of my head they could have asked the unions if they were willing to make concessions on pay and benefits to lower the amount of money the state pays out to employees, maybe they just might accept a deal like that and everything could be hunky-dory. Oh, wait. They did accept a deal like that and Scott Walker flushed it down the toilet like the stupid **** that he is and decided that he needed to get into a pissing match that in no way helps to alleviate the states budget problem. Be mad at that asshole, not the unions which accepted the pay decreases and benefit decreases.
    Walker did the correct thing. State Unions shouldnt have the ability to collectively bargin. They should get paid and get raises based on public votes. NOT their own manipulation and greed.
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    Re: Judge issues temporary order barring public union law's implementation

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    The Dems are back in the state. Can't he just call for a vote now before they have time to pack?
    Due to the recall efforts Walker may not have the votes to get it passed.


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