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    Re: Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    LOLZ If you were to look deeper and closely at Obama's economic, foreign policy, and domestic initiatives (as well as who advises him), you'd see that Obama is center right rather than center left.
    His foreign policy is just like GW Bush's foreign policy - which I'll remind you isn't center right, it's NEOCON. Same as these guys:

    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that's nothing. I'm a military member and i already have at least 5 persona's. one here, another forum, a blog, a magazine site, and my facebook account.
    ??

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    Re: Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    LOLZ If you were to look deeper and closely at Obama's economic, foreign policy, and domestic initiatives (as well as who advises him), you'd see that Obama is center right rather than center left.
    Not by choice, my friend, not by choice. Do you think Barack Obama whines about Fox News and the Tea Party movement and techy gadgets that allow what he calls "chatter" for nothing? Nope it's not for nothing. He is being forced to abandon his promises to the left.

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    Re: Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    His foreign policy is just like GW Bush's foreign policy - which I'll remind you isn't center right, it's NEOCON. Same as these guys:

    His policy addresses REALITY. How terrible. It would be so much better to try harder to understand why killers kill and alleviate those conditions so that killers could be transformed into little angels.


    Well, take heart, left. Any fool can plainly see he is doing it against his will. Well except the drone part. He seems okay with unmanned drones.
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    Re: Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshabar View Post
    His policy addresses REALITY. How terrible. It would be so much better to try harder to understand why killers kill and alleviate those conditions so that killers could be transformed into little angels.


    Well, take heart, left. Any fool can plainly see he is doing it against his will. Well except the drone part. He seems okay with unmanned drones.
    He's also okay with adding more troops to Afghanistan, he's also OK with authorizing another no-fly zone over another Muslim country and taking part in bombing them. You don't seem to recall - but in the early 2001-2003 another President did this same thing and the result was hyperbolic rhetoric from the left - worldwide condemnation, protests in theU.S. Europe and Asia constantly about Bush=Hitler, Bush=Fascist, Bush=Blood for Oil, Bush=Baby Killer... etc.

    Now almost the exact same thing happens --- we throw in with the UN, we authorize bombing of a Muslim country who's greatest export is... anyone? OIL.

    Not a ****ing peep ... out of the media, with world wide protests, with anything. But you see this is all to save the people of Libya - that's the narrative context cover story. If it was bull**** when G.W. Bush did it, it's bull**** when Obama does it. Anything else from our left of center political friends is the biggest steeming pile of hypocrisy ever seen and should be called out as such. Right now, the only sound is crickets.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    He's also okay with adding more troops to Afghanistan, he's also OK with authorizing another no-fly zone over another Muslim country and taking part in bombing them. You don't seem to recall - but in the early 2001-2003 another President did this same thing and the result was hyperbolic rhetoric from the left - worldwide condemnation, protests in theU.S. Europe and Asia constantly about Bush=Hitler, Bush=Fascist, Bush=Blood for Oil, Bush=Baby Killer... etc.

    Now almost the exact same thing happens --- we throw in with the UN, we authorize bombing of a Muslim country who's greatest export is... anyone? OIL.

    Not a ****ing peep ... out of the media, with world wide protests, with anything. But you see this is all to save the people of Libya - that's the narrative context cover story. If it was bull**** when G.W. Bush did it, it's bull**** when Obama does it. Anything else from our left of center political friends is the biggest steeming pile of hypocrisy ever seen and should be called out as such. Right now, the only sound is crickets.

    Well, yeah but you can tell he doesn't like doing it, Ockham. Don't you see the look of distaste on his face when he has to come off the golf course and deal with these things? Except the drones, he thinks the drones are pretty cool.

    At the White House Correspondents' Dinner Saturday night, President Obama noted that in the audience were the Jonas brothers.

    "Sasha and Malia are huge fans," he said, "but boys, don't get any ideas. Two words for you: predator drones. You will never see it coming.
    Heh, heh, heh. . .

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    Re: Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshabar View Post

    Well, yeah but you can tell he doesn't like doing it, Ockham. Don't you see the look of distaste on his face when he has to come off the golf course and deal with these things? Except the drones, he thinks the drones are pretty cool.
    If he doesn't like to do it, he wouldn't. I think he just has no clue what to do other than what's already been done.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    He's also okay with adding more troops to Afghanistan, he's also OK with authorizing another no-fly zone over another Muslim country and taking part in bombing them. You don't seem to recall - but in the early 2001-2003 another President did this same thing and the result was hyperbolic rhetoric from the left - worldwide condemnation, protests in theU.S. Europe and Asia constantly about Bush=Hitler, Bush=Fascist, Bush=Blood for Oil, Bush=Baby Killer... etc.

    Now almost the exact same thing happens --- we throw in with the UN, we authorize bombing of a Muslim country who's greatest export is... anyone? OIL.

    Not a ****ing peep ... out of the media, with world wide protests, with anything. But you see this is all to save the people of Libya - that's the narrative context cover story. If it was bull**** when G.W. Bush did it, it's bull**** when Obama does it. Anything else from our left of center political friends is the biggest steeming pile of hypocrisy ever seen and should be called out as such. Right now, the only sound is crickets.
    It's not "almost the same thing". Saddam wasn't (currently) slaughtering his own people. France did NOT lead the charge. (Remember Freedom Fries?). And the "narratives" were quite different. "Theys gots WMDs, theys gonna kill us", is quite a bit different than "look at ALL the news outlets showing Qaddafi massacring his own people".

    And no coalition of the willing. No creative interpretation of UN resolutions. Even Russia and China didn't stand in the way this time.

    And Libya's oil is primarily used in european diesels. This type of crude is different than the type we generally use.

    Obama, afaik, doesn't have a previous personal and ideological hardon for Libya.
    No existing plan requiring construction of permanent military bases on top of the second largest puddle of oil in the world, as the neocons had.

    I'm not thrilled with our participation in Libya. We have enough wars on our plate.

    But I doubt you could find anywhere near as many people in this country who seriously question whether some response isn't necessary in this situation.

    No need to spin up support to protect the weak who are obviously being abused by the strong, right there on the tv. No American chickenhawks leading the charge from the safety of DC.

    Hell, Obama was kinda wimpy (as usual) about the whole thing.

    And we don't have any kind of leadership role. Just helping the rest of the world do what they agree needs to be done.

    Anyway, far enough topic.
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    Re: Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    It's not "almost the same thing". Saddam wasn't (currently) slaughtering his own people.
    He did twice before that. He gassed Kurds and killed thousands, and he used helicopters to kill hundreds more in an uprising prior to UN Resolution 1441.

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    France did NOT lead the charge. (Remember Freedom Fries?).
    France hasn't led anything since before Vietnam.

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    And the "narratives" were quite different. "Theys gots WMDs, theys gonna kill us", is quite a bit different than "look at ALL the news outlets showing Qaddafi massacring his own people".
    That's the only thing missing - WMD's, otherwise, it's EXACTLY the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    And no coalition of the willing. No creative interpretation of UN resolutions. Even Russia and China didn't stand in the way this time.
    Russia and China didn't stand in the way last time either. And 10-0 with abstains from Russia and China are hardly a "thumbs up" from those two security council members.

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    And Libya's oil is primarily used in european diesels. This type of crude is different than the type we generally use.
    Crude is crude, it's all in the processing. Perhaps that's why Britian and France are "leading" this time because it's THEIR oil - so you already answered the question: Of "is this blood for oil" - the answer is yes, just Europe's oil this time.

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Obama, afaik, doesn't have a previous personal and ideological hardon for Libya.
    No existing plan requiring construction of permanent military bases on top of the second largest puddle of oil in the world, as the neocons had.
    Doesn't really matter - we're still bombinb more Muslims and I thought that was a really bad thing with the ideological left - but as long as it's for a good cause... like Europes' oil supply, Obama seems to be in for penny, in for a pound.

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I'm not thrilled with our participation in Libya. We have enough wars on our plate.
    It's stupid - and shows he's learned absolutely nothing from 10 years of being in the Middle East.

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    But I doubt you could find anywhere near as many people in this country who seriously question whether some response isn't necessary in this situation.
    Blood for oil just isn't that bad when a Democrat does it. Good to know.

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    No need to spin up support to protect the weak who are obviously being abused by the strong, right there on the tv. No American chickenhawks leading the charge from the safety of DC.

    Hell, Obama was kinda wimpy (as usual) about the whole thing.
    So why do anything at all? First it's weeks late to actually help any rebellion going on, second we don't have money to pay for the two area's we're still in, third isn't bombinb more Muslims always characterized as an Al Qaeda recruitment tool - so how is this not a recruitment tool? Fourth, America has zero to gain by doing any of this other than this attempts to put Obama in a better light going into the 2012 elections, and fifth and most importantly this action and the words Obama used to explain this action are so damned close to G.W. Bush's words it was freakishly scary. Can we all agree Hope and Change was the biggest "rope a dope" played on the American people in the last 100 years now?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    And we don't have any kind of leadership role. Just helping the rest of the world do what they agree needs to be done.
    Help the rest of the world? How about we stay the hell home and help ourselves?

    The hypocrisy is strong and pungent on this...
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media

    What if? said: It's not "almost the same thing". Saddam wasn't (currently) slaughtering his own people.

    But he was torturing and slaughtering his own people.

    BAGHDAD Pictures of dead Iraqis, with their necks slashed, their eyes gouged out and their genitals blackened, fill a bookshelf. Jail cells, with dried blood on the floor and rusted shackles bolted to the walls, line the corridors. And the screams of what could be imprisoned men in an underground detention center echo through air shafts and sewer pipes.
    USATODAY.com - Iraqis pour out tales of Saddam's torture chambers


    Don't you remember Iraqis out in the streets listening and digging, trying to find their loves ones?

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