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    Re: UN authorizes no-fly zone over Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Looks like the AMERICAN Tomahawk missiles today say differently.
    I love the Obama defense shift coming out and making excuses for the same things that Bush did in Iraq. This is hypocrisy at it's finest.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: UN authorizes no-fly zone over Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I love the Obama defense shift coming out and making excuses for the same things that Bush did in Iraq. This is hypocrisy at it's finest.
    Saddam can kill thousands of his own people, and it's none of our business. But if Gaddafi does the same thing, Obama is a hero.

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    Re: UN authorizes no-fly zone over Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So you agree this is for oil, same way it was when Bush did it in Iraq?
    The West used to prop up his regime and turn a blind eye at his domestic activities because of the role Libya played economically for the region. The West turned its back to Gadaffi only when he started loosing the fight, and now he is winning (in an unfortunate turn of events), that puts us in a difficult situation.

    The rebels have to win, otherwise if Muammer comes back into power his going to play straight into the hands of Iran and the axis of evil to spite us. We chose our side now we have to bare the responsibilities of doing that.

    I doubt the intervention has anything to do with oil, more that the atrocities that are being committed there is happening at our doorstep and that the Libyan people expect protection from the international community.
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    Re: UN authorizes no-fly zone over Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Nope, but the Security Council listens to the US a lot more than they listen to France. As I said, I just hope that the political cover is the extent of our involvement in this.
    I agree. I was glad to see that U.S. planes were not the first ones out there and that our involvement thus far has been mostly political/verbal. I'm not interested in getting heavily involved in another war no matter who the president is.

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    Re: UN authorizes no-fly zone over Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I agree. I was glad to see that U.S. planes were not the first ones out there and that our involvement thus far has been mostly political/verbal. I'm not interested in getting heavily involved in another war no matter who the president is.
    As long as NATO boots do not step foot on Libyan soil the US can get away with minimizing its efforts there with the occasional air or naval strike. This is more of a European effort than anything and it should stay that way. That way if we get pushed into a corner and find a no-fly zone is ineffective and we have to launch a ground invasion, we can lead the effort.
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    Re: UN authorizes no-fly zone over Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post

    I doubt the intervention has anything to do with oil, more that the atrocities that are being committed there is happening at our doorstep and that the Libyan people expect protection from the international community.
    Neocons said the same thing about Iraq didn't they? It was all about the WMD's and not the oil, yet the narrative for years from media and our left wing bretheren was "No blood for oil". Fact is, Libya does supply much of it's oil to Europe.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: UN authorizes no-fly zone over Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Saddam can kill thousands of his own people, and it's none of our business. But if Gaddafi does the same thing, Obama is a hero.
    Correction: Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of people.

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    Re: UN authorizes no-fly zone over Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    President Obama is diplomatically rehabilitating America's tarnished warmongering image abroad and especially in the ME. There can be no doubt of the US working behind the scenes, but the frontmen are the UN and the Arab league, as well as the Europeans. I'm hearing as I type that the British airstrikes have started with a few Tomahawks into the Libyan air defences.
    And making us look like toothless pussies, instead.

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    Re: UN authorizes no-fly zone over Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Nope, but the Security Council listens to the US a lot more than they listen to France. As I said, I just hope that the political cover is the extent of our involvement in this.
    There are amphib units on station off the Libyan coast. There's a lot of potential for American troops to be deployed in this TO.

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    Re: UN authorizes no-fly zone over Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There are amphib units on station off the Libyan coast. There's a lot of potential for American troops to be deployed in this TO.
    That would be a mistake. This has a huge potential downside and a very limited upside. Realistically, our involvement in Libya could result in anything from a pyrrhic victory (like Kosovo) to a stalemate (like 1990s Iraq) to a total disaster (like Somalia). Even in the best case scenario, all that we'd be able to do is depose Gaddafi and hope that the successor government was marginally better. And it's far from certain that we could even get that.
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