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    Re: UN authorizes no-fly zone over Libya

    Don't you guys see it? When we saw the rebels had the upper hand, we officially stopped supporting Gaddafi as a means to acquire oil and recognized that he had lossed his mandate. Now he is hitting back and it looks like he might win, we have to support the rebels and we have to make sure he looses, otherwise when he returns to power and acquires once again his position of statesmen, he is going to be more anti-west than ever, and he is going to be a bigger thorn in our side than Iran. We picked our side and if we don't make sure that side wins then we are going to have a big problem on our hands.
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    Re: UN authorizes no-fly zone over Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Don't you guys see it? When we saw the rebels had the upper hand, we officially stopped supporting Gaddafi as a means to acquire oil and recognized that he had lossed his mandate. Now he is hitting back and it looks like he might win, we have to support the rebels and we have to make sure he looses, otherwise when he returns to power and acquires once again his position of statesmen, he is going to be more anti-west than ever, and he is going to be a bigger thorn in our side than Iran. We picked our side and if we don't make sure that side wins then we are going to have a big problem on our hands.
    So you agree this is for oil, same way it was when Bush did it in Iraq?
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    Re: UN authorizes no-fly zone over Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So you agree this is for oil, same way it was when Bush did it in Iraq?
    Not nessecarily.

    One cannot ignore that Gaddafi has openly supported terrorists in the past against the west.

    One cannot ignore that if he wins, he will again support terrorist enterprises against the west given what they have done to him. The last thing we need, is a nations resources helping a terrorist organization.

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    Re: UN authorizes no-fly zone over Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Not nessecarily.

    One cannot ignore that Gaddafi has openly supported terrorists in the past against the west.

    One cannot ignore that if he wins, he will again support terrorist enterprises against the west given what they have done to him. The last thing we need, is a nations resources helping a terrorist organization.
    So then Iraq and Afghanistan are justified then.

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    Re: UN authorizes no-fly zone over Libya

    Looks like the rebels managed to shoot down a fighter on their own
    Raw Video: Plane shot down by Libyan rebels

    Looks like an Su-22?
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    Re: UN authorizes no-fly zone over Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    So then Iraq and Afghanistan are justified then.
    Afghanistan yes.

    Iraq no.

    There is no evidence that Saddam was helping Al Queada.

    In fact he had a great disdain for Islamic organizations because they threatened his relatively secular dictatorship.

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    Re: UN authorizes no-fly zone over Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Looks like the rebels managed to shoot down a fighter on their own
    Raw Video: Plane shot down by Libyan rebels

    Looks like an Su-22?
    Very interesting, CNN was reporting that, that was a Rebel airplane.

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    Re: UN authorizes no-fly zone over Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Not nessecarily.

    One cannot ignore that Gaddafi has openly supported terrorists in the past against the west.

    One cannot ignore that if he wins, he will again support terrorist enterprises against the west given what they have done to him. The last thing we need, is a nations resources helping a terrorist organization.
    At the time, the U.S. said the same thing about Iraq, and Saddam had already killed his own people with both gas and helicopters when there was an uprising against him. I'm not seeing the difference here.
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    Re: UN authorizes no-fly zone over Libya

    Maybe the no-fly zone will succeed in quickly ushering Gaddafi out of power and result in the establishment of a democracy, but I'm highly skeptical. History would indicate that these sort of interventions seldom go as smoothly as advertised. It won't turn into another Iraq War unless things go REALLY badly, but I could easily see this turning into a Black Hawk Down type of situation, where mission creep ruins the campaign. Another possibility is something like post-Desert Storm Iraq, where the air strikes succeed in producing a stalemate but Gaddafi is able to hang onto power for years. I think the best case scenario is something like Kosovo...but even Kosovo doesn't look like a great success story after 12 years.

    For Western intervention in Libya, the risks significantly outweigh the rewards.
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    Re: UN authorizes no-fly zone over Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    For Western intervention in Libya, the risks significantly outweigh the rewards.

    Good point. I would have thought better sense from such a learned and intelligent President who's entire first election was trashing actions such as these from his predicessor.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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