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    Re: Wisconsin GOP senators violated open meetings law, Dane County DA alleges

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    as has been explained over and over, this has precious little to do with the budget and alot to do with simple union busting....last time i checked, 30 million was less than 3 billion, 30 million being the figure for immediate savings, and 300 million is less than 3 billion, 300 million the savings over several years, 3 billion being the total deficit....even with 300 mill in savings, that still leaves 2.7 billion in deficit...so stripping the unions of collective bargaining rights is going to fix this budget? uh, no, no its not....walker overstepped, and has a rare chance to say 'hey, i screwed up, lets get everyone together and talk this out'..
    Actually, you're wrong. I posted Gov. Walker's reasoning from his own words here...

    By SCOTT WALKER

    In 2010, Megan Sampson was named an Outstanding First Year Teacher in Wisconsin. A week later, she got a layoff notice from the Milwaukee Public Schools. Why would one of the best new teachers in the state be one of the first let go? Because her collective-bargaining contract requires staffing decisions to be made based on seniority.

    Ms. Sampson got a layoff notice because the union leadership would not accept reasonable changes to their contract. Instead, they hid behind a collective-bargaining agreement that costs the taxpayers $101,091 per year for each teacher, protects a 0% contribution for health-insurance premiums, and forces schools to hire and fire based on seniority and union rules.

    Over the past three weeks, local unions across the state have pursued contracts without new pension or health-insurance contributions. Their rhetoric does not match their record on this issue.

    Local governments can't pass budgets on a hope and a prayer. Beyond balancing budgets, our reforms give schools—as well as state and local governments—the tools to reward productive workers and improve their operations. Most crucially, our reforms confront the barriers of collective bargaining that currently block innovation and reform.
    Scott Walker: Why I'm Fighting in Wisconsin - WSJ.com

    He's "busting unions" to improve the budgets, strengthen schools and empower the people. You want to be the guy on record supporting the Unions, that's on you buddy, me? I'm cheering for the people of Wisc.
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    Re: Wisconsin GOP senators violated open meetings law, Dane County DA alleges

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Actually, you're wrong. I posted Gov. Walker's reasoning from his own words here...



    Scott Walker: Why I'm Fighting in Wisconsin - WSJ.com

    He's "busting unions" to improve the budgets, strengthen schools and empower the people. You want to be the guy on record supporting the Unions, that's on you buddy, me? I'm cheering for the people of Wisc.
    the governor is telling you what you want to hear...'damn unions, keeping me from balancing the budget, i'm doing it for the schools, for the local communities...FOR THE CHILDREN!!! OH THE HUMANITY!!!....He is so full of it to be beyond imagination...the governor was trying to do damage control. the governor just wants to screw the unions over, break legal contracts, and reward his buds. nothing more.

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    Re: Wisconsin GOP senators violated open meetings law, Dane County DA alleges

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    i'd be ok with them leaving again, the gov needs to realize that he is not god almighty. he could accomplish alot by sitting down and talking.
    do you even realize how contradictory and stupid that sounds?

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    Re: Wisconsin GOP senators violated open meetings law, Dane County DA alleges

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    the governor is telling you what you want to hear...'damn unions, keeping me from balancing the budget, i'm doing it for the schools, for the local communities...FOR THE CHILDREN!!! OH THE HUMANITY!!!....He is so full of it to be beyond imagination...the governor was trying to do damage control. the governor just wants to screw the unions over, break legal contracts, and reward his buds. nothing more.
    Okay then, we are at a crossroads. You believe he's a bad man trying to reward his buddies and I think he's helping improve the state of Wisc.
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    Re: Wisconsin GOP senators violated open meetings law, Dane County DA alleges

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I've done a little research, and since it was a special session (under senate rule 33 if I recall correctly) they probably did not break the open meeting rule. But we'll know for certain in a couple of weeks.
    I don't know what happened up there so I am not making a claim one way or another.

    However, as I look over the open meeting compliance guide, special sessions aren't one of the listed exceptions. There are procedures for going into closed meeting mode. I have no idea if those were followed or not.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Wisconsin GOP senators violated open meetings law, Dane County DA alleges

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    First of all what does the law say?
    http://www.doj.state.wi.us/AWP/2007O...ance_Guide.pdf
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Wisconsin GOP senators violated open meetings law, Dane County DA alleges

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Okay then, we are at a crossroads. You believe he's a bad man trying to reward his buddies and I think he's helping improve the state of Wisc.
    the way he went about this, yes, i think he is trying to screw the unions over, and the budget issues are a smokescreen, cover that he is using to try and do so. from a public relations point, he totally screwed up.

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    Re: Wisconsin GOP senators violated open meetings law, Dane County DA alleges

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I don't know what happened up there so I am not making a claim one way or another.

    However, as I look over the open meeting compliance guide, special sessions aren't one of the listed exceptions. There are procedures for going into closed meeting mode. I have no idea if those were followed or not.
    The claim on the other side is that since the senate was in "special session" the open meeting rules do not apply.

    Edited to add link to rule:
    http://legis.wisconsin.gov/rules/SenateRules.html#Rule 93

    (2) No notice of hearing before a committee shall be required other than posting on the legislative bulletin board, and no bulletin of committee hearings shall be published.
    Last edited by buck; 03-18-11 at 11:21 AM.

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    Re: Wisconsin GOP senators violated open meetings law, Dane County DA alleges

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    The claim on the other side is that since the senate was in "special session" the open meeting rules do not apply.

    Edited to add link to rule:
    Rules of the Wisconsin Senate 93

    (2) No notice of hearing before a committee shall be required other than posting on the legislative bulletin board, and no bulletin of committee hearings shall be published.
    The "open meeting rule" is a law. I suspect that if it came down to it, WI law would trump WI Senate rules.
    The procedures for starting a closed meeting seem well defined. It seems this could be decided pretty easily from the public record.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Wisconsin GOP senators violated open meetings law, Dane County DA alleges

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    The "open meeting rule" is a law. I suspect that if it came down to it, WI law would trump WI Senate rules.
    The procedures for starting a closed meeting seem well defined. It seems this could be decided pretty easily from the public record.
    Except for the fact that in the open meetings law, it allows for the following exception in 19.87(2):

    This subchapter shall apply to all meetings of the senate and assembly and the committees, subcommittees and other subunits thereof, except that:

    (2) No provision of this subchapter which conflicts with a rule of the senate or assembly or joint rule of the legislature shall apply to a meeting conducted in compliance with such rule.
    As we've already established, the senate rules clearly state the special sessions are exempt.

    Edited to provide link to the law:
    http://www.wisfoic.org/an-openmeetingslaw.html
    Last edited by buck; 03-18-11 at 11:57 AM.

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