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    Re: White House wants new copyright law crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Oh I get it. If it's not on when you want it to be on you couldn't wait for a rerun. You also haven't heard of DVRs. You just provided the perfect excuse for robbing liquor stores when they're not open. "Sorry officer, it wasn't open and I really wanted to get drunk. The store left me no choice but to break in and take it."
    I don't have a DVR and I do have an internet connection and a web site to get the program, I already paid for.

    See I already paid for it through my subscription service, so I'll watch it however I please.
    Not even comparable to robbing a liquor store.
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    Re: White House wants new copyright law crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't have a DVR and I do have an internet connection and a web site to get the program, I already paid for.
    You don't pay for programs. You pay to get the channels the program is on. It's the difference between paying for internet and paying to get the services that NYT provides to its readers with subscriptions. Paying for internet doesn't mean you get the rights to access to everything on the internet. It just means you get access to it. Paying directly for programming is what PPV is where you're actually paying for the programming.

    You're not paying for a program, you're paying for having access to the channel the program is on. Please learn the difference. It's quite significant.
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    Re: White House wants new copyright law crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Be more specific. Give me examples of specific copyrights being wrongfully extended.
    Copyrights can be held for the life of the author + 70 years, isn't that a bit much?

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    I'll need specifics to agree or disagree if corps are getting something for free.
    They don't have to compete with anyone over improvements of the base IP item.

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Which single company owns the monopoly on IP (intellectual property)?

    That's what a monopoly is, right?
    MS owns all windows OS programs, no one else change use the source code to it for anything without their permission.
    Even if someone has a vast improvement for it, they can not use the Windows source code.
    Windows has an effective monopoly over it.


    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Then all inheritance should be taxed at 100%. Once your husband dies, you lose your house, your bank accounts and anything of value that he provided.
    That's not the same thing, the community does not use your house, bank accounts or anything else of value in commons, technology is developed and used in commons.
    The same goes for entertainment.
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    Re: White House wants new copyright law crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Copyrights can be held for the life of the author + 70 years, isn't that a bit much?
    No.

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    Re: White House wants new copyright law crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You don't pay for programs. You pay to get the channels the program is on. It's the difference between paying for internet and paying to get the services that NYT provides to its readers with subscriptions. Paying for internet doesn't mean you get the rights to access to everything on the internet. It just means you get access to it. Paying directly for programming is what PPV is where you're actually paying for the programming.

    You're not paying for a program, you're paying for having access to the channel the program is on. Please learn the difference. It's quite significant.
    No I do pay for the programs, else the revenue that the channels receive would not go to the creators of the programs.

    To use your liquor store comparison, it's like me going to a liquor store buy a bottle of gin, but can't drink anywhere else besides the liquor store, else the maker will sue me.
    It's nonsense.
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    Re: White House wants new copyright law crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Be more specific. What changes do you have a problem with and why?
    Well, the lengthening is driven by corporations in a way where it applies not just to the works they control, but to everything, IIRC some of it retroactively too meaning things that should have gone into public domain by now won't, can't.


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    Copyrights can be held for the life of the author + 70 years, isn't that a bit much?
    No.

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    Why not? Copyright on a work was meant to be for a limited time, not for 70 - 150+ years.
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    Re: White House wants new copyright law crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No.

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    Misunderstood what you were saying with my original statement.

    Why is it not "a bit much"?
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    Re: White House wants new copyright law crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't have a DVR and I do have an internet connection and a web site to get the program, I already paid for.

    See I already paid for it through my subscription service, so I'll watch it however I please.
    Not even comparable to robbing a liquor store.
    False analogy.

    A more correct analogy would be making a digital copy of a program you recorded. They allowing 1000 people to have that copy for free.

    Or putting that digital copy on a DVD and selling 100 copies at a flee market.

    No, you didn't use a gun. But you did commit a crime that involved stealing.

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    Re: White House wants new copyright law crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    No I do pay for the programs,
    No, you really don't. You pay for access to programing. Networks pay for the programs and the rights to broadcast them. You pay for access to those networks.

    else the revenue that the channels receive would not go to the creators of the programs. To use your liquor store comparison, it's like me going to a liquor store buy a bottle of gin, but can't drink anywhere else besides the liquor store, else the maker will sue me. It's nonsense.
    No. The only nonsense here is your ridiculous assertion that you're paying for something other than access to the programming. If network companies actually made you pay per 'program' even basic cable would cost far more than $40-$50 a month. Seriously, take a course in media studies.

    You'll sound like you have a clue as to what it is you're talking about. You think that because you pay for X you get to do Y when X and Y are completely unrelated. You don't pay for a program. If you did, then there wouldn't be much of a point to actually having scheduled programing.
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    Re: White House wants new copyright law crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No, you really don't. You pay for access to programing. Networks pay for the programs and the rights to broadcast them. You pay for access to those networks. Seriously, take a course in media studies. You'll sound like you have a clue as to what it is you're talking about.
    Perception trumps that, people perceive that they are paying for something that they don't get free use for.
    They will get it one way or another.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No. The only nonsense here is your ridiculous assertion that you're paying for something other than access to the programming. If network companies actually made you pay per 'program' even basic cable would cost far more than $40-$50 a month.
    No it wouldn't because no one would buy it.
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