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    Re: White House wants new copyright law crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshabar View Post
    Oh yeah. . . They definitely want to silence internet "sharing." What Obama likes to call "chatter." The kind of chatter that's bringing him down.



    Hard for politicians to control the spin when there's so much information out there.


    You know, this sort of thing? The kind of thing where we make him own his own words.

    NOT GOOD!!!
    Um... did you even bother to read the article?

    They're talking about music, video, and software.

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    Re: White House wants new copyright law crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Funny, you seem to be the only one who has mentioned Bush.

    Jamesrage doesn't even seem to disagree with the idea that this loophole should be closed.
    Do you or do you not agree that this loophole should be closed?
    I disagree with the idea of copyright infringements being a felony or even a misdemeanor and believe that this should stay a civil matter.
    He had to resort to "WHY OBAMA NOT DO OTHER THING???" Sad. So very sad.
    You don't think he has better **** to do than to waste his time with this kissing the asses of businesses?
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    Re: White House wants new copyright law crackdown

    Regarding streaming video for secondary party viewing.


    It has generally been illegal for that too occur in one form or another. Any pay per view will generally have a warning that charging people to view the event at your home or business without authorization will be a copywrite offense
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    Re: White House wants new copyright law crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post

    You don't think he has better **** to do than to waste his time with this kissing the asses of businesses?
    I thought Conservatives didn't think he kissed business' asses enough. I'm getting confused by the logical circles being run here.

    Perhaps if you had intellectual property, you'd feel differently. As the holder of a few copyrights for songs I've written, I rather like the idea that I should be paid for it, rather than just allowing anybody to steal it. Of course, it would be nice if somebody thought my songs worthy of stealing, but that's beside the point.

    Businesses want to think that their property is being protected. If they come up with a great computer program (say a way to search the internet, or have online auctions...), they would like to think they might get financially compensated for it. It's only the whole idea of business in the first place.

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    Re: White House wants new copyright law crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Perhaps if you had intellectual property, you'd feel differently.


    You can "have intellectuall property" and still think this is atrocious, the extent which the business have been meddling with our laws. The two are not mutually exclusive.

    [And how do you know he doesn't? Arguing against this bill, against copyright *as it is* doesn't tell you that.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    As the holder of a few copyrights for songs I've written, I rather like the idea that I should be paid for it, rather than just allowing anybody to steal it.
    Ah, but copyright is not a "right to profit" - it is about control. You get control over a work for a limited time to do with it as you please, then it goes to the public. In of itself, being able to profit is not what copyright is about, nor was it meant to have the amount of control over other people's technologies, and works that it does now.
    Of course the fact that literal stealing doesn't factor into it is besides the point.
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    Re: White House wants new copyright law crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I thought Conservatives didn't think he kissed business' asses enough. I'm getting confused by the logical circles being run here.

    Perhaps if you had intellectual property, you'd feel differently. As the holder of a few copyrights for songs I've written, I rather like the idea that I should be paid for it, rather than just allowing anybody to steal it. Of course, it would be nice if somebody thought my songs worthy of stealing, but that's beside the point.

    Businesses want to think that their property is being protected. If they come up with a great computer program (say a way to search the internet, or have online auctions...), they would like to think they might get financially compensated for it. It's only the whole idea of business in the first place.
    The problem is not the song writer, the movie maker or software maker. They should get compensated and their wares should be able to be distributed world wide.

    The problem is, that the present laws are counter productive to you as a copyright "maker". Now with the Internet, you as a song writer can publish your songs online for free download or minimal payment. However if you went through one of the big music companies, chances are they not only will hike the price, but also limit access to certain markets and especially limit access online.

    It gets even worse for movies and tv shows. Tv production companies could earn a nice fee for selling or renting out their tv shows on the net to people outside the US.. but they dont.. copy write laws forbid it. So people are forced to steal the content because the copy write laws prevent timely distribution.

    Like it or not, we live in a world where waiting months or even years for products is seen as insane, but the movie/TV show (not so much music anymore and not software at all) live in the 20th century where things like borders and nationality actually matter. Do you really expect anyone to wait half a year before their favourite tv series comes on local TV, when they know they can watch it online? Of course not! And that is the main problem with movie and tv distribution now days.

    Music has gone into a change, very very very slowly but it is STILL living in the wacko world of copy write. I use Spotify, which is free with commericals, or pay with none. I can get a ton of music, new and old streamed to my PC or smart phone all fully legal. With such a service my "stealing of music" has gone from a bit to zero. But the industry STILL lives in the past, because Spotify cant get access to the US as of yet, despite being popular in Europe, because... you guessed it.. the music companies not wanting to give permission in the US (but the same companies have no problem in Europe!?). Also there are still restrictions on certain songs.. which I can access in Spain but can in UK and visa versa.. but thankfully the popular stuff is not that stupid.

    My point is.. we live in a very connected world where the old time borders and language barriers have all but disappeared, but big business still live in the past and have for the last 20+ years refused to change and only done it kicking and screaming.
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    Re: White House wants new copyright law crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    A Federal FELONY? To download a movie, especially when you may or may not know whether the site has legal rights to offer it?

    Holy crap. Bit harsh.

    May or may not know that a site called Pirate Bay is doing something illegal...

    May or may not know that a file called DVD screener is illegal...

    May or may not know that Adobe software files are illegal when they come with 'cracks'...

    May or may not know... that's rich.
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    Re: White House wants new copyright law crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    May or may not know that a file called DVD screener is illegal...
    IMO debatable, since the law on that, and court rulings on things of that nature seem to flip flop all the time.
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    Re: White House wants new copyright law crackdown

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    May or may not know that a site called Pirate Bay is doing something illegal...

    May or may not know that a file called DVD screener is illegal...

    May or may not know that Adobe software files are illegal when they come with 'cracks'...

    May or may not know... that's rich.
    Depends on the country.. Spain, Brazil and many others, it is not illegal to download copywrited material.. it is illegal to sell it. Also one of the sites that the Feds "shut" down was as I have stated... situated in Spain and fully legal here. If the feds have a problem with it, then block it in the US, but quit forcing US laws on other nations.
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    Re: White House wants new copyright law crackdown

    Let's be real. This is about the White House.

    The Obama White House doing something. Doing anything.

    They far-rights will just find fault in anything he does.

    Look at the first posts in the thread -- they didn't even understand that this is about copyright law be enforced with changes in communications and information technology.

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