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    Re: Libyan rebels urge west to assassinate Gaddafi as his forces near Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That was not a case of defensive strategy as much as political strategy. The Left turned against Democracy and supported Communism. The result was a disaster which still reverberates around the world.
    You better slow down with the historical facts, before there's a Yukushima melt down on this forum.

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    Re: Libyan rebels urge west to assassinate Gaddafi as his forces near Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You better slow down with the historical facts, before there's a Yukushima melt down on this forum.
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    I'm always interested in seeing how they'll fashion their denials!

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    Re: Libyan rebels urge west to assassinate Gaddafi as his forces near Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post

    But you wanted examples (just off the top of my head):
    Well, the American Revolution for one.
    Jet already provided you with one (Battle of Britain).
    Peninsular campaigns, Spain
    Russia, 1812.
    Russia, 1941-45
    Vietnam
    basically any case in which a native insurgency was victorious.

    And I know video games aren't real life, but if you ever play any strategy-type video games, it's usually a good strategy to establish a strong defensive position, have the enemy's attack break like waves upon a rock, and then counterattack. That's the true value of defensive strategy, combining it with offense.

    Edit: Now that I think about it...it even applies to sports. Defense wins championships.
    On Vietnam...

    We DID win in Vietnam. We left in 1972. When we left, the Viet Cong, the South Vietnamese Communist insurgency was essentially gone and there was a truce with N. Vietnam. Three years later, in 1975, N. Vietnam invaded S. Vietnam with their army. A conventional army. An invasion conducted in the classical fashion with more tanks than Hitler had when he invaded Russia in 1941. Because we were no longer funding the S. Vietnamese and refused to live up to our promise to provide military aid and support if the N. Vietnamese did cross the border, they were unable to mount an effective defense and the country fell.

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    Re: Libyan rebels urge west to assassinate Gaddafi as his forces near Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by doctorhugo View Post
    WE SHOULD GET THE HELL OUT, BECAUSE NOONE BELIEVES BIN LADEN IS THERE.
    BIN LADEN AND THE PURSUIT OF HIM WAS OUR ONLY MISSION THERE!
    WE ARE NOT IN THE NATION-BUILDING BUSINESS.
    WE DO NOT NEED TO SACRIFICE ONE MORE AMERICAN LIFE (OR $) THERE.
    THAT COUNTRY HAS NO NATIONAL SECURITY INTEREST FOR AMERICA.
    THAT COUNTRY IS NO NATIONAL SECURITY RISK FOR AMERICA
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    And this is why you bother me. Just another typical critic lost in simplistics. Our mission is region wide. Does this still escape you? After all that we have been involved in since 9/11 you still think a dead old man is the goal? We face a disease of the human spirit. This disease is affecting the entire Western world. Bin Laden is merely a symptom. Focusing on Bin Laden is a simpleton's chore. Without Bin Laden, there are thousands of others who are bred to hate and to murder in the name of Islam. And this is why our mission has been between Cairo and Islamabad. And despite your inorance, this will go on for generations before it is over. Plenty more American lives will be sacrificed to preserve the majority of American fat asses watching the history on their television sets.

    No national security interest? I guess that was true on 9/11, huh? What harm could a bunch of religious fanatics do to us across the ocean? You sound like the Washington throughout the 90s. Foolish. Be thankful others do the thinking for you.

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    [SIZE="3"][FONT="Book Antiqua"]I guess you never read books with pictures, huh
    I did when I was young. I tend to read adult peoples books now. Your pictures are isolated. It is not civilizational. The vast majority live in villages, towns and cities. Perhaps reading books without pictures would be more educational.

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    Your vomiting all over your self-righteous, pontificating self sarge. Shape up and wake up.
    Shape up and wake up? Civilian, I know what my enemy is. I face him. The hardest part of our efforts is convincing the ignorance far away of what is going on. Declaring them as "cave dwellers" is maliciously stupid as is pretending that they don't have a history of modernization. I would tell you to wake up but I believe you to be hopless in your celebrated ignorance.

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    Re: Libyan rebels urge west to assassinate Gaddafi as his forces near Benghazi

    The U.N. has just voted for implementing a no-fly zone in Libya.
    I use a lot of satire and sarcasm so keep that in mind when reading my posts.

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    Re: Libyan rebels urge west to assassinate Gaddafi as his forces near Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    The U.N. has just voted for implementing a no-fly zone in Libya.
    Like that will make Gaddafi **** a brick and his paranoia will run wild...lmao

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    Re: Libyan rebels urge west to assassinate Gaddafi as his forces near Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    On Vietnam...

    We DID win in Vietnam. We left in 1972. When we left, the Viet Cong, the South Vietnamese Communist insurgency was essentially gone and there was a truce with N. Vietnam. Three years later, in 1975, N. Vietnam invaded S. Vietnam with their army. A conventional army. An invasion conducted in the classical fashion with more tanks than Hitler had when he invaded Russia in 1941. Because we were no longer funding the S. Vietnamese and refused to live up to our promise to provide military aid and support if the N. Vietnamese did cross the border, they were unable to mount an effective defense and the country fell.
    If by win you mean accomplish none of our stated objectives you'd be exactly right. Do you think it really matters that there was a 3 year truce before the situation turned into exactly what North Vietnam wanted? I'd call that more of a tactic on their part. Just ask yourself, what is the present situation? Their post war aims or ours? The answer is quite obviously their's.

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    Re: Libyan rebels urge west to assassinate Gaddafi as his forces near Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    If by win you mean accomplish none of our stated objectives you'd be exactly right. Do you think it really matters that there was a 3 year truce before the situation turned into exactly what North Vietnam wanted? I'd call that more of a tactic on their part. Just ask yourself, what is the present situation? Their post war aims or ours? The answer is quite obviously their's.
    Again - We didn't lose **** in Vietnam. We left in 73 - Vietnam fell in 75. They fought good until the libs yanked the rug out from under them. Look for Foreign Assistance Act of 1974.

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    Re: Libyan rebels urge west to assassinate Gaddafi as his forces near Benghazi

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Again - We didn't lose **** in Vietnam. We left in 73 - Vietnam fell in 75. They fought good until the libs yanked the rug out from under them. Look for Foreign Assistance Act of 1974.
    I was born in 1949 and lived through this time. You have no idea what you are talking about.
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    Re: Libyan rebels urge west to assassinate Gaddafi as his forces near Benghazi

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    We face a disease of the human spirit. This disease is affecting the entire Western world. Bin Laden is merely a symptom. Focusing on Bin Laden is a simpleton's chore. Without Bin Laden, there are thousands of others who are bred to hate and to murder in the name of Islam.
    Your so-called "disease of the human spirit" is most accurately applied to the fundamentalist Islamists. The ever-warring Shia and Sunni factions at each others throats over Q'ran interpretation. So you would have us do what? Insert ourselves in those Middle East nations to show them the way by enabling discourse. By sending agronomists there to teach them. By sending teachers in to replace the madras schools. Give me a break. Your high-minded commentary provides no practical solutions. The indigenous peoples have to have the courage to rise up and however possible reject the notion of totalitarian religious states. We cannot pay the blood bounty to do that for them. This has been ongoing back into the Ottoman Empire and will continue until those very people reject it. So now we shall see, with all the current turmoil, whether regimes that fall are replaced by a worse fate, the influence of the Muslim Brotherhood and equivalent interests or a secular uprising of the people to take the first step towards some form of democratization. We have no business inserting ourselves in the middle.
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