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    Re: Baby Joseph Flown to U.S. Hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    In this country, that's correct. In Canada, that's incorrect. What's your point?
    Probably that Canadian Government should not have that kind of power. There fore that our Government shouldn't have with Obama Care.

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    Re: Baby Joseph Flown to U.S. Hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Now I'm confused about something...

    is he having something done that is likely to actually save his life for a considerable amount of time?--
    They did the same thing with their baby daughter Zina eight years ago - she had a similar condition and died six months after the family took her home.
    Poor kid is not the first in the family with this disease and there's no chance of long term survival.

    "Baby Joseph" is being used as a political football.

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    Re: Baby Joseph Flown to U.S. Hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Most of you are forgetting/ignoring the most important part of this issue...

    It is not MY decision to make.
    It is not YOUR decision to make.
    It is not the doctors decision to make.
    It is not the insurance companys decision to make.
    It is not the governments decision to make.

    It is THE PARENTS decision to make.
    Its the Parents decision that they want the action done.

    A Doctor is not a slave. They do not have to perform whatever medical procedure you wish. They can't do stuff to the baby the parents don't want, but they absolutely can refuse to do something they feel is ethically unsound.

    If a pregnant woman walked into a doctors office of a devout catholic, has him check the health of the her baby, and then once she's being seen by him demands that he give her an abortion is it not the Doctor's choice to say no?

    Look, they found a doctor that would do it and more power to them. And I do agree, I like the fact that we have the choice in this country where a hospital can choose to do this if they wish and the parents can choose to do it if they can afford it or if the hospital will do it for free. That said, I have absolutely no qualms with a hospital saying no or even an insurance company saying no as its an unncessary surgery that is of no overall benefit physically or mentally to the child and is nothing but an action to make the parents feel better. A Doctor is not a slave and an insurance companies purpose is not to assure that a parents feelings aren't hurt.

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    Re: Baby Joseph Flown to U.S. Hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Probably that Canadian Government should not have that kind of power. There fore that our Government shouldn't have with Obama Care.
    Yep. I believe personally the decision should be kept with for profit HMO's that have my best interests at heart...

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    Re: Baby Joseph Flown to U.S. Hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Probably that Canadian Government should not have that kind of power.
    Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08
    There fore that our Government shouldn't have with Obama Care.
    Yeah...I'm gonna need something more than your assessment of what the government "should" have the power to do, without any explanation or reasoning.

    In any case, nothing in the health care reform law gives government the right to deny anyone's medical care, as it is still essentially a private system. If you can find a doctor willing to do it (as long as it's not a procedure that will get the doctor in trouble with the AMA), and you can pay out of pocket (or have insurance that covers it), go for it.
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    Re: Baby Joseph Flown to U.S. Hospital

    Great. They keep pumping air into a dead baby to what ends? This sounds like cruel and unusual punishment to me. The Canadian doctors are right. It's time to let him go.
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    Re: Baby Joseph Flown to U.S. Hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Its the Parents decision that they want the action done.

    A Doctor is not a slave. They do not have to perform whatever medical procedure you wish. They can't do stuff to the baby the parents don't want, but they absolutely can refuse to do something they feel is ethically unsound.

    If a pregnant woman walked into a doctors office of a devout catholic, has him check the health of the her baby, and then once she's being seen by him demands that he give her an abortion is it not the Doctor's choice to say no?

    Look, they found a doctor that would do it and more power to them. And I do agree, I like the fact that we have the choice in this country where a hospital can choose to do this if they wish and the parents can choose to do it if they can afford it or if the hospital will do it for free. That said, I have absolutely no qualms with a hospital saying no or even an insurance company saying no as its an unncessary surgery that is of no overall benefit physically or mentally to the child and is nothing but an action to make the parents feel better. A Doctor is not a slave and an insurance companies purpose is not to assure that a parents feelings aren't hurt.
    Of course a doctor is not a slave. I was not saying a particular doctor MUST do whatever parents want. PLease don't generalize my comments when I am trying to talk ONLY about the topic at hand.

    I was saying that the ultimate decision about treatment for their child is THEIR decision, and no one elses. That being said, they have the right to find a physician, hospital, etc., that will follow their wishes in the care of their child. They also have the respopnsibility to pay for it out of pocket if the insurance company will not.

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    Re: Baby Joseph Flown to U.S. Hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    I was saying that the ultimate decision about treatment for their child is THEIR decision, and no one elses. That being said, they have the right to find a physician, hospital, etc., that will follow their wishes in the care of their child. They also have the respopnsibility to pay for it out of pocket if the insurance company will not.
    I think this is splitting hairs. Most Americans will not be able to have a procedure without their insurance company's permission, because they can't afford it...just like most Canadians will not be able to have a procedure without their government's permission, because it's nominally illegal in a single-payer system.

    Either way the outcome is approximately the same for the vast majority of people. Let's not pretend that Americans have vastly more freedom in this regard than Canadians do.
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    Re: Baby Joseph Flown to U.S. Hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    This is good news. The scum in Canada wanted to kill him.
    Yes... now American scum will keep him alive a few extra days only to have him die anyways. YES! YOU WON!
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    Re: Baby Joseph Flown to U.S. Hospital

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    If the kid is a vegetable, how could he be suffering?

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    How dumb are you?

    His physical body can suffer. They can cut him open for no reason and then he will die in three days anyway.

    I swear... the metal processes of some people.

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