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Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire
"So you say."
"So you say."
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Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspires
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Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire
no, books. i'm a fairly large Lewis fan, for example, though of course i've read his critics. though it turns out Japan had to have an earthquake, and so my time is going to be limited so i may have to beg off here; we will see.
:lamo and you accuse me of being ignorant of history? Hitler was merely one of a long line of entities that have made that attempt.
Hudna and Ahm are recognized as temporary states, and Ahd was a later invention. and as i recall Dawa described the Jihaliya; and thus didn't traditionally apply - until of course Sayyid Qutb brought the notion of Jihaliya back into vogue.
Islam absolutely has common culture, just as Christianity does. I can walk into a Japanese church (in fact I did today) and instantly share a wealth of commonalities with the worshipers there, despite being from the American south.
and in the period under discussion (the rule of the Prophet, the Caliphate, the Abbassids, etc), they accounted for the majority of Islam and certainly the intellectual and ruling class. not that that is really central to the point; as what we are discussing is the religious imposition from this period upon all male muslims to engage in armed conflict at some point in their lives against the infidel.
the man listed the relevant sura. if you would like to cite the surrounding verses and demonstrated on how he had taken them out of context, i would love to see it.
buuuut i'm thinking you won't
no, books. i'm a fairly large Lewis fan, for example, though of course i've read his critics. though it turns out Japan had to have an earthquake, and so my time is going to be limited so i may have to beg off here; we will see.
:lamo and you accuse me of being ignorant of history? Hitler was merely one of a long line of entities that have made that attempt.
Hudna and Ahm are recognized as temporary states, and Ahd was a later invention. and as i recall Dawa described the Jihaliya; and thus didn't traditionally apply - until of course Sayyid Qutb brought the notion of Jihaliya back into vogue.
Islam absolutely has common culture, just as Christianity does. I can walk into a Japanese church (in fact I did today) and instantly share a wealth of commonalities with the worshipers there, despite being from the American south.
and in the period under discussion (the rule of the Prophet, the Caliphate, the Abbassids, etc), they accounted for the majority of Islam and certainly the intellectual and ruling class. not that that is really central to the point; as what we are discussing is the religious imposition from this period upon all male muslims to engage in armed conflict at some point in their lives against the infidel.
the man listed the relevant sura. if you would like to cite the surrounding verses and demonstrated on how he had taken them out of context, i would love to see it.
buuuut i'm thinking you won't
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Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire
easy answer: they don't. the New Testament is also quite clear that homosexual relations goes against Gods' intentions for sexuality.
Romans 1:21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
easy answer: they don't. the New Testament is also quite clear that homosexual relations goes against Gods' intentions for sexuality.
Romans 1:21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
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Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire
you won't be, you will instead be demonstrating what the Prophet was talking about. obviously if he discussed the importance of waging jihad against the unbelievers, and he meant to debate them vigorously to show the ignorance of their ways, then there would be some kind of indication of this.
actually you referenced Islamism when you started talking about the "warping" of Islam by terrorist groups. don't be upset because they are simply part of a repeat phenomena.
the wind is always blowing, the stars are dancing, wise men think deep and the elephant sings at midnight; how in the world does that change the fact that - unlike any of you, he was able to actually source his argument in the Koran, the Word of Allah Himself?
you won't be, you will instead be demonstrating what the Prophet was talking about. obviously if he discussed the importance of waging jihad against the unbelievers, and he meant to debate them vigorously to show the ignorance of their ways, then there would be some kind of indication of this.
actually you referenced Islamism when you started talking about the "warping" of Islam by terrorist groups. don't be upset because they are simply part of a repeat phenomena.
the wind is always blowing, the stars are dancing, wise men think deep and the elephant sings at midnight; how in the world does that change the fact that - unlike any of you, he was able to actually source his argument in the Koran, the Word of Allah Himself?
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Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire
Tell me, when your wife menstruates, do you make her sleep in a tent outside?
Tell me, when your wife menstruates, do you make her sleep in a tent outside?
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Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire
Can I prove that the Prophet was not referring to war with non-believers when 'jihad' is mentioned in the Qur'an? No. Can I prove that there are as many references to 'jihad' with broader meanings than simply that? Yes. You claim, "when the Prophet discussed Jihad he was predominantly talking about warfare?" I'm looking forward to seeing your proof.
My proof that he was not is here:
1. Eleven different meanings of the term all with quotations from relevant suras showing that 'war with the unbeliever' is just one of many meanings of 'jihad'.
#18 - Jihad Explained | Institute of Islamic Information and Education
2. "Not all war is jihad and not all jihad is war". You can check out the wider explanation of the role of jihad in a great, short tract I downloaded from The Royal Aal Al-byt Institute for Islamic Thought.
English Publications
3. "Jihad is a very broad concept that includes theories of just war. But the Koran is very clear that Muslims are only to wage defensive wars," Jeremiah McAuliffe
Interesting guy, a Muslim convert from Catholicism and very rational thinker and debater. Here's his story...
Conversion Story of Jeremiah McAuliffe, Jr. (Dec. 97)
And here's his views on the misuse of the term 'Jihad'...
'Jihad' misused, misunderstood, scholar says
Can I prove that the Prophet was not referring to war with non-believers when 'jihad' is mentioned in the Qur'an? No. Can I prove that there are as many references to 'jihad' with broader meanings than simply that? Yes. You claim, "when the Prophet discussed Jihad he was predominantly talking about warfare?" I'm looking forward to seeing your proof.
My proof that he was not is here:
1. Eleven different meanings of the term all with quotations from relevant suras showing that 'war with the unbeliever' is just one of many meanings of 'jihad'.
#18 - Jihad Explained | Institute of Islamic Information and Education
2. "Not all war is jihad and not all jihad is war". You can check out the wider explanation of the role of jihad in a great, short tract I downloaded from The Royal Aal Al-byt Institute for Islamic Thought.
English Publications
3. "Jihad is a very broad concept that includes theories of just war. But the Koran is very clear that Muslims are only to wage defensive wars," Jeremiah McAuliffe
Interesting guy, a Muslim convert from Catholicism and very rational thinker and debater. Here's his story...
Conversion Story of Jeremiah McAuliffe, Jr. (Dec. 97)
And here's his views on the misuse of the term 'Jihad'...
'Jihad' misused, misunderstood, scholar says
Yes, I used the word, I did not make it the subject of the current debate. You did that. That's a straw man argument.
You can source an argument for most things using a religious text. What makes an argument valid or invalid is not that you can find a sura, chapter, or verse that ostensibly supports your assertion, but that context, precedent and scholastic enquiry have supported your interpretation of that piece of scripture. Look at the WBC. They have a chapter and verse justification for all their acts of bigotry. That doesn't mean that their interpretation of the scripture is one that holds water for most theologists.
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Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire
Of course not. Christians pick-and-choose which parts of the Bible they think are requirements and which aren't. Why do you think there are so many different Christian sects?
Of course not. Christians pick-and-choose which parts of the Bible they think are requirements and which aren't. Why do you think there are so many different Christian sects?
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Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire
New Testament, Michael. Keep up
New Testament, Michael. Keep up
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Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire
Don't discard all of the old testement. That one about making the wife sleep in a tent when she's menstruating is one of the most bang on ideas any religion has ever come up with. Far better than disliking homosexuality. It has a practical value, you know?
New Testament, Michael. Keep up
Don't discard all of the old testement. That one about making the wife sleep in a tent when she's menstruating is one of the most bang on ideas any religion has ever come up with. Far better than disliking homosexuality. It has a practical value, you know?
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Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire
It's funny how many Christians these days are rejecting the Old Testament as 'fulfilled' by the New Testament. Anyone pointing out the brutality and unreason of the earlier book is dismissed because the OT is no longer authorative. This point doesn't seem to have gotten through to those arguing for observance of the ancient commandments. As I recall Jesus stated that the 10 commandments could really be encapsulated in two - love the Lord your God, and love your neighbour as yourself. Of course, Jesus' message was never quite good enough for Pauline orthodoxy, so they added a few more condemnations pulled randomly from the OT.
What should certainly be borne in mind is that should something be argued that only appears in the OT, the creation myth for example, it should be pointed out that Christianity has rejected the teachings of the OT and thus, so should we all.
It's funny how many Christians these days are rejecting the Old Testament as 'fulfilled' by the New Testament. Anyone pointing out the brutality and unreason of the earlier book is dismissed because the OT is no longer authorative. This point doesn't seem to have gotten through to those arguing for observance of the ancient commandments. As I recall Jesus stated that the 10 commandments could really be encapsulated in two - love the Lord your God, and love your neighbour as yourself. Of course, Jesus' message was never quite good enough for Pauline orthodoxy, so they added a few more condemnations pulled randomly from the OT.
What should certainly be borne in mind is that should something be argued that only appears in the OT, the creation myth for example, it should be pointed out that Christianity has rejected the teachings of the OT and thus, so should we all.
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Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire
That is just plain nonsense right there. Christians certainly do believe in the teachings of the OT, however, they understand that was a different time, and that Jesus gave his life to usher in a new understanding of each other, and the relationship between God and us. Now if you want to believe that we are stuck in the 7th century with a vengeful, wrath filled God, then go right ahead, but I have the feeling that those that mock, and denounce Christianity only use that as a slam, and don't really believe it to be true.
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That is just plain nonsense right there. Christians certainly do believe in the teachings of the OT, however, they understand that was a different time, and that Jesus gave his life to usher in a new understanding of each other, and the relationship between God and us. Now if you want to believe that we are stuck in the 7th century with a vengeful, wrath filled God, then go right ahead, but I have the feeling that those that mock, and denounce Christianity only use that as a slam, and don't really believe it to be true.
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Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire
The thing is, Scripture points out just the opposite:
Matthew:
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 1
The thing is, Scripture points out just the opposite:
Matthew:
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 1
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Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire
MATTHEW 5:18
"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
This would seem to disagree with you. But thank you for your sarcasm. Why respond with an actual point when stoking your own egotism will do?
New Testament, Michael. Keep up
MATTHEW 5:18
"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
This would seem to disagree with you. But thank you for your sarcasm. Why respond with an actual point when stoking your own egotism will do?
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V is not bound by the law, but only those under the law are.
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“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” -Luke 16:17
“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” -John 7:19
“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” -Luke 16:17
“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” -John 7:19
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Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire
What I've noticed is that conservative Christians seem to adopt or disclaim the Old Testament at their convenience, and their convenience generally revolves around the particular issue being debated. If it's God disaproving of homosexuals there's some stuff in the Old Testament that they find useful. If you're comparing Islam to Christianity ... It's, "Old Testament? What Old Testament?"
What I've noticed is that conservative Christians seem to adopt or disclaim the Old Testament at their convenience, and their convenience generally revolves around the particular issue being debated. If it's God disaproving of homosexuals there's some stuff in the Old Testament that they find useful. If you're comparing Islam to Christianity ... It's, "Old Testament? What Old Testament?"
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Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire
Convert heathen! Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
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I'll you don't have a single clue whom he was speaking to.
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So what if it is just one of many different definitions of jihad. The fact is that it is a very prevalent and accepted belief. The other defiinitions of jihad don't take anything away from that. Its' great that perhaps some sect of Islam can convince themselves the jihad doesn't mean war with the unbelievers. But history has taught us that many think now and have thought over the centuries that jihad is war against the unbelievers.
So what if it is just one of many different definitions of jihad. The fact is that it is a very prevalent and accepted belief. The other defiinitions of jihad don't take anything away from that. Its' great that perhaps some sect of Islam can convince themselves the jihad doesn't mean war with the unbelievers. But history has taught us that many think now and have thought over the centuries that jihad is war against the unbelievers.
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Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire
In some respects this is true but Christianity has by no means rejected all teachings from the Old Testament nor should they. I am a Catholic and we don't believe literally everything written in the Bible. We recognize that the old Testament is largely part of our history but the New Testament is the beginning of Christianity. We read, interpret and discuss not blindly follow letter of what is written. But your argument that the creation myth must be rejected simply because it is in the Old Testament is laughable.
In some respects this is true but Christianity has by no means rejected all teachings from the Old Testament nor should they. I am a Catholic and we don't believe literally everything written in the Bible. We recognize that the old Testament is largely part of our history but the New Testament is the beginning of Christianity. We read, interpret and discuss not blindly follow letter of what is written. But your argument that the creation myth must be rejected simply because it is in the Old Testament is laughable.
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I just read an article on Al Jazeera about stand up comics in
foreign nations like Pakistan and elsewhere. Anyway, the reporter said that in foreign countries, it was common practice, for the government to pay the stand up comic to incorporate political propaganda into his act to get the public to support certain ideas. One comic talked about his support for the war on terror, and then spins it into humor. The reporter said payola to comics in foreign countries is very common. I am not suprised. Brainwashing techniques have become more stealthy since Dubya/Cheney/Obama wars have made the USA the most hated country on the planet.
I just read an article on Al Jazeera about stand up comics in
foreign nations like Pakistan and elsewhere. Anyway, the reporter said that in foreign countries, it was common practice, for the government to pay the stand up comic to incorporate political propaganda into his act to get the public to support certain ideas. One comic talked about his support for the war on terror, and then spins it into humor. The reporter said payola to comics in foreign countries is very common. I am not suprised. Brainwashing techniques have become more stealthy since Dubya/Cheney/Obama wars have made the USA the most hated country on the planet.
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Another supposed liberal sucked into Republican talking points.:roll:
Time-Warner employees are such tools. Look at that corp./govmnt whore Piers Morgan.
What a suck -up.
Who funds Muslim-baiting in the US?
A new report details how a small group of donors and 'intellectuals' have pushed Islamophobia into the mainstream.
Who funds Muslim-baiting in the US? - Opinion - Al Jazeera English
Another supposed liberal sucked into Republican talking points.:roll:
Time-Warner employees are such tools. Look at that corp./govmnt whore Piers Morgan.
What a suck -up.
Who funds Muslim-baiting in the US?
A new report details how a small group of donors and 'intellectuals' have pushed Islamophobia into the mainstream.
Who funds Muslim-baiting in the US? - Opinion - Al Jazeera English
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:shrug: I don't see the issue - I've said worse about the Christian Bible.
:shrug: I don't see the issue - I've said worse about the Christian Bible.
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[Scooby doo villain voice] and I'd have gotten away with it, too, if not for those meddling Jews![/scooby doo villain voice]
Not sure exactly why this post inspired me to hear that in my head, but I thought I'd share it since I found it humorous.
[Scooby doo villain voice] and I'd have gotten away with it, too, if not for those meddling Jews![/scooby doo villain voice]
Not sure exactly why this post inspired me to hear that in my head, but I thought I'd share it since I found it humorous.
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Well, in America people are supossed to be free from racial and religious persecution according to the Tea Party and their holy writ - the U.S. Constitution.
Of course, these persecutions are permissible by the U.S. government /media establishment so long as they benefit the Pentagon's rogue foreign policy.
Well, in America people are supossed to be free from racial and religious persecution according to the Tea Party and their holy writ - the U.S. Constitution.
Of course, these persecutions are permissible by the U.S. government /media establishment so long as they benefit the Pentagon's rogue foreign policy.
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