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Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspires

Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

Depends.

Everyone is agnostic to a degree, I would agree with that.

But people use it as a fence-sitting position more than anything, so as not to offend. There is something to say for that, I suppose.

My experience with most atheists is that they almost believe that they themselves are God-like. There's a condescension about them toward everyone, as if they operate on a higher plane then the rest of us. And the thought of a being above them is almost insulting to them.

Bill Maher is a prime example. He talks down to everyone. He sees himself as superior to the rest of us.

Then you'll love this guy. He's got a lovely line in Islamophobia too.

 
Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

Depends.

Everyone is agnostic to a degree, I would agree with that.

But people use it as a fence-sitting position more than anything, so as not to offend. There is something to say for that, I suppose.

My experience with most atheists is that they almost believe that they themselves are God-like. There's a condescension about them toward everyone, as if they operate on a higher plane then the rest of us. And the thought of a being above them is almost insulting to them.

Bill Maher is a prime example. He talks down to everyone. He sees himself as superior to the rest of us.

no agnostics i know use it as a fence sitting position. they just don't KNOW. i also suspect many people question, but still identify themselves as believing in god. and the atheists I know don't at all seem arrogant.
 
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It's not a religion but I do agree with you that atheism does involve a form of faith, because there is no way to know that God doesn't exist. Religious people, and atheist have the same type of mindset IMO, they just believe different things. Agnostics are the ones to claim that we don't know.

In it's purest form, atheism is simply a lack of faith, a lack of belief in god. There are those atheists who go beyond this, and have an actual faith that their is no god, and preach it high and wide. I think of that type as religious atheists.
 
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Apdst. You've said some stupid things at DP. But this is the stupidest. As a Jew, I can tell you quite unequivocally that Judaism is a religion, not a race. A race would denote some genetic similarities. There are NONE that are common to all Jews. Many Jews share a common ethnicity and culture, but remember The only people who thought that Judaism was a race were the Nazis. If I thought you were actually making a claim in that vein, I'd nail you for a Hate Speech violation.

Educate yourself instead of saying stupid things that are completely inaccurate. Judaism is a religion and mostly an ethnicity, NOT a race.

Judaism is definitely a religion... and it's also an ethnicity. There is a common ancestry from ancient people... My boyfriend is Jewish, but he is Mizrahi so he looks middle eastern. I don't think he looks Arab though. He looks different than Arabs, but he still looks like he is from the middle east... His family was in Egypt for a long time (you know, the Exodus and all that), but he still knows which son of Jacob his family is from (12 Tribes of Israel). German Jews are usually Ashkenazi, then you have all kinds of ethnic groups within the Hebrew people, but they probably look more diverse today because they lived and reproduced with people in Europe, southern Europe, Asia, etc. However, they carry a common genome. I believe it's known as "J" and I know it's been mapped, when scientists mapped the human genome (I am a geek).

I also know that Jewish people practice the religion differently and have different customs depending if they are Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrahi, etc.

But I still think his comment was stupid... it is a religion and when you talk about race and ethnicity, it does get muddled and a little hard to understand.. maybe subjective, but I think genes and genetic disposition are not subjective. If the genome can be traced, and the blood can be tested for it (no matter what color your skin is) then it's an ethnic group by some definition...
 
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You serious?

I am not sure about some people in this thread...
 
Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

There are those atheists who go beyond this, and have an actual faith that their is a god, and preach it high and wide. I think of that type as religious atheists.

I'm pretty sure they don't believe that there is a god.
 
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I always felt agnostics were kinda the real cowards. The religious folks embrace it, the atheist embrace it and the agnostics can't make a decision!

I don't have a problem with agnostics... Some of them are really smart and are open to all religions... study all holy books, and ask questions whereas most religious people just believe everything they were told and taught to believe. They don't pretend to know everything, they'll admit they don't. It's not a cowardly position, it's an honest position...
 
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Now hun, I was a bit tongue in cheek there, sorry if that didn't quite come across that way.

Ohhhh... sarcasm.....

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You jerk! :2razz:
 
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Judaism is definitely a religion... and it's also an ethnicity. There is a common ancestry from ancient people... My boyfriend is Jewish, but he is Mizrahi so he looks middle eastern. I don't think he looks Arab though. He looks different than Arabs, but he still looks like he is from the middle east... His family was in Egypt for a long time (you know, the Exodus and all that), but he still knows which son of Jacob his family is from (12 Tribes of Israel). German Jews are usually Ashkenazi, then you have all kinds of ethnic groups within the Hebrew people, but they probably look more diverse today because they lived and reproduced with people in Europe, southern Europe, Asia, etc. However, they carry a common genome. I believe it's known as "J" and I know it's been mapped, when scientists mapped the human genome (I am a geek).

I also know that Jewish people practice the religion differently and have different customs depending if they are Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrahi, etc.

But I still think his comment was stupid... it is a religion and when you talk about race and ethnicity, it does get muddled and a little hard to understand.. maybe subjective, but I think genes and genetic disposition are not subjective. If the genome can be traced, and the blood can be tested for it (no matter what color your skin is) then it's an ethnic group by some definition...

I may be wrong, but I believe for the most part Mizrahim and Sephardim practice Judaism in pretty similar ways, with the same customs/rites/rituals, etc.
 
Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

Scumbag alert, divide and conquer CIA cointelpro tactic ...Maher come on homey!:roll:

Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspires terrorism


"On Friday, Minnesota Democratic Rep. Keith Ellison appeared on “Real Time with Bill Maher.” Maher told Ellison, who is a Muslim, that the Quran was a “hate-filled holy book” that inspired terrorism."


Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a

Maher is a anti-religious bigot.He is one of those liberals that probably runs around saying we must be tolerant and be accepting of others when it comes to gays/trannys but probably turns around and bashes religion like a lot of liberals do. He would probably say the same thing about any religious book. So being surprised he said something like that about the koran would be like being surprised a fat person ate donuts.


That said at least he is equal opportunity religious basher. Some conservative talk show hosts say the same thing about the Koran but give Christianity and Judaism a free pass and a lot liberal talk show hosts say the same thing about the bible and give Muslims a pass.
 
Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

Maher is a anti-religious bigot.He is one of those liberals that probably runs around saying we must be tolerant and be accepting of others when it comes to gays/trannys but probably turns around and bashes religion like a lot of liberals do. He would probably say the same thing about any religious book. So being surprised he said something like that about the koran would be like being surprised a fat person ate donuts.


That said at least he is equal opportunity religious basher. Some conservative talk show hosts say the same thing about the Koran but give Christianity and Judaism a free pass and a lot liberal talk show hosts say the same thing about the bible and give Muslims a pass.

Definitely. Maher doesn't pull punches on any religion. He sees all of them as a bunch of brainwashing cults.
 
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Starting the debate by openly engaging in the fallacy of demanding negative proof is not a very good idea. Just sayin'.

You beat me to it.

Most atheists I know simply don't see any evidence for the existence of a god. I can ask you if you believe in an invisible pink unicorn. But if you say no that doesn't mean that you "believe" there isn't one.

Lack of belief doesn't require belief.

As for the actual subject matter, Maher is a bit nutty, but he is pretty damn funny at times. At least he had the balls to stick to his beliefs and not pull punches depending on the religion.

For those in the thread arguing Christianity vs. Islam as far as violence or bigotry or such, if read literally both are absolutely terrifying and disgusting from a moral standpoint. Everything from genocide to the enslavement and rape of an entire population, to killing 42 children with bears because they made fun of your bald spot. That Elisha, he sure was sensitive.
 
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Depends entirely on the atheist and the level of faith and effort you put into it.

-shrugs- as it does with any other religion
 
Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

For those in the thread arguing Christianity vs. Islam as far as violence or bigotry or such, if read literally both are absolutely terrifying and disgusting from a moral standpoint. Everything from genocide to the enslavement and rape of an entire population, to killing 42 children with bears because they made fun of your bald spot. That Elisha, he sure was sensitive.

If you can point to a New Testament in Islam, perhaps this point has merit. Now, not so much. Elisha was a Christian like Maher is a Muslim.

There is no moral equivalence. One religion compels death to infidels, one compels love thy neighbor.
 
Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

If you can point to a New Testament in Islam, perhaps this point has merit. Now, not so much. Elisha was a Christian like Maher is a Muslim.

There is no moral equivalence. One religion compels death to infidels, one compels love thy neighbor.

I see, so you are repudiating the Old Testament, rejecting it from the Christian faith. Got it. I can see the headline: "Christians say: Old Testament, Old Tosh!"
 
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I see, so you are repudiating the Old Testament, rejecting it from the Christian faith. Got it. I can see the headline: "Christians say: Old Testament, Old Tosh!"

Find me the New Qur'an and we can discuss what reformation is all about.

One religion is stuck in the fourth century and it isn't the one with the baby Jesus.
 
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Libs......

.....isnt it then time to call for the Firing of Bill Maher? Are you starting your boycotts of the Bill Maher show as we speak?

The outrage you must feel......to see one of your own attacking the only religon you have ever defended--Radical Islam.
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Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

Find me the New Qur'an and we can discuss what reformation is all about.
Given that most Christians adhere to the counter-reformation church, your point is invalid, not to say fatuous.
 
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Given that most Christians adhere to the counter-reformation church, your point is invalid, not to say fatuous.

I would say your point is flatulence.

We have a holy war going on for decades and it isn't Christians waging it. Sorry to break the news to you, as I can see your presently ignorant to reality. Consider it my good deed for the day.
 
Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

Libs......

.....isnt it then time to call for the Firing of Bill Maher? Are you starting your boycotts of the Bill Maher show as we speak?

The outrage you must feel......to see one of your own attacking the only religon you have ever defended--Radical Islam.
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I would suggest that you fire your stereotype writer.
 
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Ed,

Your argument is as rational as the behaviour of your avatar.
 
Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

That's right, I'm taking on the uber religious atheists. I'm going to demand they prove God doesn't exist, just as I've been challenged to prove He does.



To be committed to non belief is just as much a religion as someone who may not put much "effort" into their faith yet still believes in God. I think your statement is accurate for agnostics, not atheists.

I'm not an atheist. In fact, I am pretty religious, and even I recognize that atheism is not a religion.

1) Religion is a belief. Religious people can prove that by wheeling out a God that they believe in.

2) Atheism? Are you really going to say it is a religion by asking them to prove it by wheeling out no God?

3) Religion has a very small similarity to science in that you must prove that you believe in a God, just as in science, you must prove a theory.

4) Atheism again? Where's The lack of God they don't believe in?

5) Just like creationists, some people are claiming that you can prove a negative, and define atheism on that term. It doesn't work.

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Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

I'm pretty sure they don't believe that there is a god.

Err, yeah. I went back and fixed it now.
 
Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

-shrugs- as it does with any other religion

Well...no. Religion is based on faith. Atheism is based on a lack of faith.
 
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