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    Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Why does anyone give a **** about Bill Maher's opinion?
    Well I do. He isnt to far off it seems. Then again the bible doesnt seem to be to much better...... a lot less explosives though. Whats with your Sleestack [sp] thing you got going on??
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    Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I always felt agnostics were kinda the real cowards. The religious folks embrace it, the atheist embrace it and the agnostics can't make a decision!
    It's actually a sign of humility to admit you know nothing about something which you truly know nothing about. Nobody KNOWS FOR A FACT if a God, or gods, exist, and nobody KNOWS for a fact that He, or they, don't. I'm not an agnostic, but agnosticism is simply the admission that you truly know nothing about something that which is impossible to truly know.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    And to top that off, he is Jewish. So he would never hurt his own religion. Even though he claims he does not follow his religion. His religion got him to where he is today.
    His mother was/is(?) Jewish but it was never his religion. He was raised Catholic.

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    Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    It's actually a sign of humility to admit you know nothing about something which you truly know nothing about. Nobody KNOWS FOR A FACT if a God, or gods, exist, and nobody KNOWS for a fact that He, or they, don't. I'm not an agnostic, but agnosticism is simply the admission that you truly know nothing about something that which is impossible to truly know.
    Depends.

    Everyone is agnostic to a degree, I would agree with that.

    But people use it as a fence-sitting position more than anything, so as not to offend. There is something to say for that, I suppose.

    My experience with most atheists is that they almost believe that they themselves are God-like. There's a condescension about them toward everyone, as if they operate on a higher plane then the rest of us. And the thought of a being above them is almost insulting to them.

    Bill Maher is a prime example. He talks down to everyone. He sees himself as superior to the rest of us.
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    Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

    But people use it as a fence-sitting position more than anything, so as not to offend. There is something to say for that, I suppose.
    For most agnostics, I don't think it's a fence-sitting position for the purpose of not offending. It's simply that they don't possess a strong conviction either way, so they don't really care and are content with being agnostic.

    My experience with most atheists is that they almost believe that they themselves are God-like. There's a condescension about them toward everyone, as if they operate on a higher plane then the rest of us. And the thought of a being above them is almost insulting to them.

    Bill Maher is a prime example. He talks down to everyone. He sees himself as superior to the rest of us.
    I feel the same way about Maher's uber-atheism. Not all atheists are like him however. I still feel that atheism isn't a religion in the same sense that many world religions are, but I'm at school now so I will elaborate on those thoughts later in another post.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Depends.

    Everyone is agnostic to a degree, I would agree with that.

    But people use it as a fence-sitting position more than anything, so as not to offend. There is something to say for that, I suppose.

    My experience with most atheists is that they almost believe that they themselves are God-like. There's a condescension about them toward everyone, as if they operate on a higher plane then the rest of us. And the thought of a being above them is almost insulting to them.

    Bill Maher is a prime example. He talks down to everyone. He sees himself as superior to the rest of us.
    Then you'll love this guy. He's got a lovely line in Islamophobia too.

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    Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Depends.

    Everyone is agnostic to a degree, I would agree with that.

    But people use it as a fence-sitting position more than anything, so as not to offend. There is something to say for that, I suppose.

    My experience with most atheists is that they almost believe that they themselves are God-like. There's a condescension about them toward everyone, as if they operate on a higher plane then the rest of us. And the thought of a being above them is almost insulting to them.

    Bill Maher is a prime example. He talks down to everyone. He sees himself as superior to the rest of us.
    no agnostics i know use it as a fence sitting position. they just don't KNOW. i also suspect many people question, but still identify themselves as believing in god. and the atheists I know don't at all seem arrogant.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    It's not a religion but I do agree with you that atheism does involve a form of faith, because there is no way to know that God doesn't exist. Religious people, and atheist have the same type of mindset IMO, they just believe different things. Agnostics are the ones to claim that we don't know.
    In it's purest form, atheism is simply a lack of faith, a lack of belief in god. There are those atheists who go beyond this, and have an actual faith that their is no god, and preach it high and wide. I think of that type as religious atheists.
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    Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Apdst. You've said some stupid things at DP. But this is the stupidest. As a Jew, I can tell you quite unequivocally that Judaism is a religion, not a race. A race would denote some genetic similarities. There are NONE that are common to all Jews. Many Jews share a common ethnicity and culture, but remember The only people who thought that Judaism was a race were the Nazis. If I thought you were actually making a claim in that vein, I'd nail you for a Hate Speech violation.

    Educate yourself instead of saying stupid things that are completely inaccurate. Judaism is a religion and mostly an ethnicity, NOT a race.
    Judaism is definitely a religion... and it's also an ethnicity. There is a common ancestry from ancient people... My boyfriend is Jewish, but he is Mizrahi so he looks middle eastern. I don't think he looks Arab though. He looks different than Arabs, but he still looks like he is from the middle east... His family was in Egypt for a long time (you know, the Exodus and all that), but he still knows which son of Jacob his family is from (12 Tribes of Israel). German Jews are usually Ashkenazi, then you have all kinds of ethnic groups within the Hebrew people, but they probably look more diverse today because they lived and reproduced with people in Europe, southern Europe, Asia, etc. However, they carry a common genome. I believe it's known as "J" and I know it's been mapped, when scientists mapped the human genome (I am a geek).

    I also know that Jewish people practice the religion differently and have different customs depending if they are Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrahi, etc.

    But I still think his comment was stupid... it is a religion and when you talk about race and ethnicity, it does get muddled and a little hard to understand.. maybe subjective, but I think genes and genetic disposition are not subjective. If the genome can be traced, and the blood can be tested for it (no matter what color your skin is) then it's an ethnic group by some definition...

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    Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    You serious?
    I am not sure about some people in this thread...

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