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    Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    It's funny how many Christians these days are rejecting the Old Testament as 'fulfilled' by the New Testament. Anyone pointing out the brutality and unreason of the earlier book is dismissed because the OT is no longer authorative. This point doesn't seem to have gotten through to those arguing for observance of the ancient commandments. As I recall Jesus stated that the 10 commandments could really be encapsulated in two - love the Lord your God, and love your neighbour as yourself. Of course, Jesus' message was never quite good enough for Pauline orthodoxy, so they added a few more condemnations pulled randomly from the OT.

    What should certainly be borne in mind is that should something be argued that only appears in the OT, the creation myth for example, it should be pointed out that Christianity has rejected the teachings of the OT and thus, so should we all.

    That is just plain nonsense right there. Christians certainly do believe in the teachings of the OT, however, they understand that was a different time, and that Jesus gave his life to usher in a new understanding of each other, and the relationship between God and us. Now if you want to believe that we are stuck in the 7th century with a vengeful, wrath filled God, then go right ahead, but I have the feeling that those that mock, and denounce Christianity only use that as a slam, and don't really believe it to be true.

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    Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    It's funny how many Christians these days are rejecting the Old Testament as 'fulfilled' by the New Testament. Anyone pointing out the brutality and unreason of the earlier book is dismissed because the OT is no longer authorative. This point doesn't seem to have gotten through to those arguing for observance of the ancient commandments. As I recall Jesus stated that the 10 commandments could really be encapsulated in two - love the Lord your God, and love your neighbour as yourself. Of course, Jesus' message was never quite good enough for Pauline orthodoxy, so they added a few more condemnations pulled randomly from the OT.

    What should certainly be borne in mind is that should something be argued that only appears in the OT, the creation myth for example, it should be pointed out that Christianity has rejected the teachings of the OT and thus, so should we all.
    The thing is, Scripture points out just the opposite:

    Matthew:

    17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 1
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    Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    New Testament, Michael. Keep up
    MATTHEW 5:18
    "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

    This would seem to disagree with you. But thank you for your sarcasm. Why respond with an actual point when stoking your own egotism will do?

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    Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

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    MATTHEW 5:18
    "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

    This would seem to disagree with you. But thank you for your sarcasm. Why respond with an actual point when stoking your own egotism will do?
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    Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

    “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” -Luke 16:17

    “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” -John 7:19
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    Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

    What I've noticed is that conservative Christians seem to adopt or disclaim the Old Testament at their convenience, and their convenience generally revolves around the particular issue being debated. If it's God disaproving of homosexuals there's some stuff in the Old Testament that they find useful. If you're comparing Islam to Christianity ... It's, "Old Testament? What Old Testament?"

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    Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael418 View Post
    MATTHEW 5:18
    "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

    This would seem to disagree with you. But thank you for your sarcasm. Why respond with an actual point when stoking your own egotism will do?
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    Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” -Luke 16:17

    Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law -John 7:19
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    Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Can I prove that the Prophet was not referring to war with non-believers when 'jihad' is mentioned in the Qur'an? No. Can I prove that there are as many references to 'jihad' with broader meanings than simply that? Yes. You claim, "when the Prophet discussed Jihad he was predominantly talking about warfare?" I'm looking forward to seeing your proof.

    My proof that he was not is here:

    1. Eleven different meanings of the term all with quotations from relevant suras showing that 'war with the unbeliever' is just one of many meanings of 'jihad'.#18 - Jihad Explained | Institute of Islamic Information and Education

    2. "Not all war is jihad and not all jihad is war". You can check out the wider explanation of the role of jihad in a great, short tract I downloaded from The Royal Aal Al-byt Institute for Islamic Thought.
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    3. "Jihad is a very broad concept that includes theories of just war. But the Koran is very clear that Muslims are only to wage defensive wars," Jeremiah McAuliffe
    Interesting guy, a Muslim convert from Catholicism and very rational thinker and debater. Here's his story...
    Conversion Story of Jeremiah McAuliffe, Jr. (Dec. 97)
    And here's his views on the misuse of the term 'Jihad'...
    'Jihad' misused, misunderstood, scholar says


    Yes, I used the word, I did not make it the subject of the current debate. You did that. That's a straw man argument.


    You can source an argument for most things using a religious text. What makes an argument valid or invalid is not that you can find a sura, chapter, or verse that ostensibly supports your assertion, but that context, precedent and scholastic enquiry have supported your interpretation of that piece of scripture. Look at the WBC. They have a chapter and verse justification for all their acts of bigotry. That doesn't mean that their interpretation of the scripture is one that holds water for most theologists.
    So what if it is just one of many different definitions of jihad. The fact is that it is a very prevalent and accepted belief. The other defiinitions of jihad don't take anything away from that. Its' great that perhaps some sect of Islam can convince themselves the jihad doesn't mean war with the unbelievers. But history has taught us that many think now and have thought over the centuries that jihad is war against the unbelievers.

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    Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    It's funny how many Christians these days are rejecting the Old Testament as 'fulfilled' by the New Testament. Anyone pointing out the brutality and unreason of the earlier book is dismissed because the OT is no longer authorative. This point doesn't seem to have gotten through to those arguing for observance of the ancient commandments. As I recall Jesus stated that the 10 commandments could really be encapsulated in two - love the Lord your God, and love your neighbour as yourself. Of course, Jesus' message was never quite good enough for Pauline orthodoxy, so they added a few more condemnations pulled randomly from the OT.

    What should certainly be borne in mind is that should something be argued that only appears in the OT, the creation myth for example, it should be pointed out that Christianity has rejected the teachings of the OT and thus, so should we all.
    In some respects this is true but Christianity has by no means rejected all teachings from the Old Testament nor should they. I am a Catholic and we don't believe literally everything written in the Bible. We recognize that the old Testament is largely part of our history but the New Testament is the beginning of Christianity. We read, interpret and discuss not blindly follow letter of what is written. But your argument that the creation myth must be rejected simply because it is in the Old Testament is laughable.
    Last edited by jambalaya; 08-30-11 at 09:32 AM.

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