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    Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    This is so unbelievably ignorant it defies imagination.
    Even if he was right, i still fail to see how that makes it a CULT.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Haven't Americans killed thousands, if not millions, of innocents in the name of either Manifest Destiny or democracy, starting with pretty much the entire Native American population?
    I know that you and other liberals would love to hang the monikor of evil nation around the neck of America, maybe out of guilt, or some other flaw in your moral compass, but let me assure you that no nation on this planet is perfect. There have been mistakes, but I believe in intent, and America has always stood for the greatest of intentions.

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    Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I know that you and other liberals would love to hang the monikor of evil nation around the neck of America, maybe out of guilt, or some other flaw in your moral compass, but let me assure you that no nation on this planet is perfect. There have been mistakes, but I believe in intent, and America has always stood for the greatest of intentions.

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    I love America as much as the next person, but in reality it can't be denied that the building of our nation often involved the blood-shedding of others. playdrive's example of Manifest Destiny is a great example.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I know that you and other liberals would love to hang the monikor of evil nation around the neck of America, maybe out of guilt, or some other flaw in your moral compass, but let me assure you that no nation on this planet is perfect. There have been mistakes, but I believe in intent, and America has always stood for the greatest of intentions.

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    Yep our ancestors were pure in spirit when they slaughtered thousands/millions? of Native Americans because they were non-Christian savages. Please. Admitting this doesn't mean that you think America is evil anymore than admitting your own faults doesn't mean you think you're evil.

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    Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I know that you and other liberals would love to hang the monikor of evil nation around the neck of America, maybe out of guilt, or some other flaw in your moral compass, but let me assure you that no nation on this planet is perfect. There have been mistakes, but I believe in intent, and America has always stood for the greatest of intentions.

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    I have one response to this statement.

    "The Road To Hell Is Paved With Good Intentions".

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    Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Yep our ancestors were pure in spirit when they slaughtered thousands/millions? of Native Americans because they were non-Christian savages. Please. Admitting this doesn't mean that you think America is evil anymore than admitting your own faults doesn't mean you think you're evil.

    Well, then by all means we should just dismantle it....Have we not evolved from then? Why is it people like you must self flagulate over the events of centuries past instead of use them for what they are intended, learning.

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    Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, then by all means we should just dismantle it....Have we not evolved from then? Why is it people like you must self flagulate over the events of centuries past instead of use them for what they are intended, learning.

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    Nothing that you just said has anything to do with what I posted so...have fun with that.
    Last edited by ThePlayDrive; 03-18-11 at 12:37 AM. Reason: missing word

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    Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Nothing that you just said has anything to do with I posted so...have fun with that.
    You're right, I took it to its logical conclusion, or a logical conclusion....I guess that escapes you.


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    Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You're right, I took it to its logical conclusion, or a logical conclusion....I guess that escapes you.


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    Does this mean that I get to have the last word...

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    Re: Bill Maher tells Rep. Ellison the Quran is a ‘hate-filled holy book’ that inspire

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Does this mean that I get to have the last word...

    Who gives a .....! Frankly I am bored. Night.


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