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    Re: Bad lesson? Ohio elementary school in trouble after black student made to play sl

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    It is historical memory and consciousness. It is somewhat of a universal problem, but perhaps to Americans it is even more strongly held than in many other regions. We have to grapple with the fact it was not long ago (historically speaking) that this occurred at the same time that Americans are more apt to view its nation from beginning to perhaps end as a good nation (perhaps the best of nations).

    I cannot quite side with contemporary American liberals on this issue, but I am quite aware of its existence and why it is especially dangerous territory.
    That's right; gotta keep that white guilt alive.

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    Re: Bad lesson? Ohio elementary school in trouble after black student made to play sl

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    It really is one of those things where if I watched it now, I might like it. But, I was never one that liked being told what I had to do something. For example, In HS we had to read catcher in the rye. I was a big reader at the time (Tolstoy, King, few others), but refused to read that book and pretty much any others that were assigned to us. Failed that portion of the class, obviously. However, after HS, I I was bored one day, decided to pick it up, and absolutely loved it. I've read it a few times since then.

    Anyway, I would have learned a bit from the role playing lesson, I really do believe.
    IMHO Catcher in the rye was pure garbage no matter how you spin it. Just my two cents. Some American lit that we're forced to read in high school are great. Others, not so much...
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    Re: Bad lesson? Ohio elementary school in trouble after black student made to play sl

    the slave goes on to be a wealthy business man and famous philanthropist. It's a triumph of will.

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    Re: Bad lesson? Ohio elementary school in trouble after black student made to play sl

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's right; gotta keep that white guilt alive.
    I won't deny that is definitely a part of it, apdst. I am also suggesting that it is quintessentially American to ponder these thoughts, though our proposed solutions could differ quite differently from other American ideals. Remember Winthrop's immortal speech on Christian Charity, which is very much a part of our character.

    For we must consider that we shall be as a city upon a hill. The eyes of all people are upon us. So that if we shall deal falsely with our God in this work we have undertaken, and so cause Him to withdraw His present help from us, we shall be made a story and a by-word through the world.
    Americans have been incredibly morally mindful and historically conscious. Combined, the darker times in our history become incredible sore spots that are not easily repaired.
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    Re: Bad lesson? Ohio elementary school in trouble after black student made to play sl

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    It really is one of those things where if I watched it now, I might like it. But, I was never one that liked being told what I had to do something. For example, In HS we had to read catcher in the rye. I was a big reader at the time (Tolstoy, King, few others), but refused to read that book and pretty much any others that were assigned to us. Failed that portion of the class, obviously. However, after HS, I I was bored one day, decided to pick it up, and absolutely loved it. I've read it a few times since then.

    Anyway, I would have learned a bit from the role playing lesson, I really do believe.
    As a high school student or a middle school student, I would not have comprehended the last lesson, especially should the instructor not address it's social and historiographical significance. Yes, it is quite common for assigned reading to seem bothersome when it could entirely be quite enjoyable.

    A role playing lesson, I question many levels of the significance. There are some things that just cannot be ethically replicated, and should they be ethically positive, I would begin to question its exact meaning because it is missing that very tragic portion of historical reality. Further still, the lesson would likely leave out the part that slaves would at times do what they could to make a sale attractive in order to stay together as a unit...or likewise, try to sweeten the deal so that they would not be sold and separated.
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    Re: Bad lesson? Ohio elementary school in trouble after black student made to play sl

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    WTF? With a teacher like this, then maybe the Republicans are right about wanting to gut the teachers' unions there. LOL.



    Article is here.
    I think its stupid to do a slavery reenactment at school. No amount of reenacting in the class room can ever make anyone feel or realize how much suffering those people actually went through. Its like getting a paper cut and saying I now know how giving birth without any drugs feels like or what its like you have a limb cut off really slow with a dull blade. The teacher could have just shown roots.

    But, seriously, this teacher should be given a pink slip, the sooner the better.
    They will probably do what some call passing the trash.
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    Re: Bad lesson? Ohio elementary school in trouble after black student made to play sl

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    A bit insensitive appears to be your stand on this issue. When I was 13 our band had a 15 year old African-American kid for a front man. I went to Jr. High while he was going to high school. When his history teacher covered slavery in the classroom he stayed home 'sick'.
    A bit oversensitive appears to be your stand on the issue. If this was explained clearly and there was no bias involved, I see no issue with this, other than the fact that 10 might be a little young for this kind of exercise.
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    Re: Bad lesson? Ohio elementary school in trouble after black student made to play sl

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Context is being one of two AA kids in a class about slavery.
    So what? There was no bias in the division of the children and it is appropriate for all children, regardless of race to learn about this part of our history.

    The child has a right to complain. He probably wasn't very comfortable with the whole exercise to begin with.
    Sure he can complain if he was uncomfortable. That doesn't mean that the exercise was a problem. But he certainly can complain.

    I'd fire the teacher immediately.
    And you'd be overreacting.
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    Re: Bad lesson? Ohio elementary school in trouble after black student made to play sl

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    I'd fire the teacher immediately.
    You would try, until you found out the teacher had tenure, and that according to their union contract you could only place them on paid leave for something like this.

    Oh noes, don't place me on paid leave...whatever shall I do.

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    Re: Bad lesson? Ohio elementary school in trouble after black student made to play sl

    I honestly don't know where I stand on this. I don't think that the race of the child really matters, even though that is what the article is trying to sensationalize. I'm more on the fence as to whether or not this demonstration is really age appropriate.

    On one hand I see where Dan is coming from on this, as from what I recall of elementary school, most 5th graders tend to not have too much of a sense of fully developed empathy yet.

    However, I didn't personally go through this exercise, and haven't talked to any of the children who did, so who knows whether or not they really learned the right lesson.

    I covered most of this stuff in Middle School and know that I was definitely pretty shaken up by our Holocaust unit, although the closest thing we ever did along the lines of this class exercise was when we were covering the American Revolution. I was assigned the role of William Penn if I recall correctly. I was one of those who had to be persuaded by either the American Revolutionaries or the British Loyalists.

    Then again, maybe I just don't know because I've never been the most cooperative of students. During a reenactment of the court trial in to kill a mockingbird I ran circles around the girl assigned the role of Atticus Finch and actually presented a reasonably unbiased case for Tom Robinson's guilt (the existence of the back-hand was a case breaker.)

    However, that doesn't make me a racist. Just like a black kid randomly being assigned the role of a slave doesn't make the teacher racist.
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