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    Re: Bad lesson? Ohio elementary school in trouble after black student made to play sl

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This seems to be one of those few issues where people on both sides of the political aisle, at DP, agree.
    I seem to not. To me it seems like this was a big no-no. It does not matter the "lesson" that they are supposed to get with it. It does not necessarily matter the age. I feel like such matters in even a high school classroom are immensely problematic. For one thing, we have to question what exactly someone that young with that little of historical imagination can get out of it. Second, we have to consider that Teachers, though are supposed to educate their students, cannot actually "educate" the students in all matters (because a) people can't handle it b) You screw up the presentation and intellectual accuracy or balance quite easily).

    I do not like political correctness, but this is far more than that. These issues are heated for many good reasons. There are just certain subject matters you do not touch with a ten foot pole, and that if you must do so, you do so extremely carefully. Ironically, if there is one thing I have learned about this sort of subject matter with History (be it Slavery or Holocaust), it is that you must immediately ignore what the (typically extremely liberal) Education theorists have been discussing for the past 40 years: do not make it hands-on. You roll out the accepted lessons from history or even the mythology of it and do little to challenge it. You do not want the trouble on yourselves or the administration, or even the students or parents should you perform with haste and inadequacy.
    Let the real learning occur later when passions are somewhat cooler, the students are more mature and patient, which can allow for intense professional and self-study.
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    Re: Bad lesson? Ohio elementary school in trouble after black student made to play sl

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    OK... I have a few questions. When the classroom was divided into "slaves" and "masters" was race taken into consideration? Were there blacks and whites on both sides? If this is the case, though somewhat insensitive, I do NOT see this as a racial issue and I'm not sure what the big deal is. For example, I know a lot of schools, when studying WWII, do "mock" Holocaust lessons, where classrooms are divided into "Nazi's" and "Jews". It gives students a feeling of what it was like and how easily power could corrupt (similar to the Stanford Prison Experiment). Should Jewish students be prevented from playing "Jews"? No, though a bit insensitive, if explained appropriately, I don't see a problem with this.
    There's no need for role playing in the classroom. This teacher, along with any other that would use this crappy teaching method should be kicked out on the street.

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    Re: Bad lesson? Ohio elementary school in trouble after black student made to play sl

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There's no need for role playing in the classroom. This teacher, along with any other that would use this crappy teaching method should be kicked out on the street.
    It is helpful, but it can be non-helpful as well as inappropriate in some cases.
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    Re: Bad lesson? Ohio elementary school in trouble after black student made to play sl

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There's no need for role playing in the classroom. This teacher, along with any other that would use this crappy teaching method should be kicked out on the street.
    Nothing wrong with role playing, but this topic should he reserved for older children who can understand it better...
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    Re: Bad lesson? Ohio elementary school in trouble after black student made to play sl

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There's no need for role playing in the classroom. This teacher, along with any other that would use this crappy teaching method should be kicked out on the street.
    In your opinion. Role playing can be a valuable tool, helping students to understand issues more directly. But please, apdst... explain to us why role playing is a "crappy" teaching method.
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    Re: Bad lesson? Ohio elementary school in trouble after black student made to play sl

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I seem to not. To me it seems like this was a big no-no. It does not matter the "lesson" that they are supposed to get with it. It does not necessarily matter the age. I feel like such matters in even a high school classroom are immensely problematic. For one thing, we have to question what exactly someone that young with that little of historical imagination can get out of it. Second, we have to consider that Teachers, though are supposed to educate their students, cannot actually "educate" the students in all matters (because a) people can't handle it b) You screw up the presentation and intellectual accuracy or balance quite easily).

    I do not like political correctness, but this is far more than that. These issues are heated for many good reasons. There are just certain subject matters you do not touch with a ten foot pole, and that if you must do so, you do so extremely carefully. Ironically, if there is one thing I have learned about this sort of subject matter with History (be it Slavery or Holocaust), it is that you must immediately ignore what the (typically extremely liberal) Education theorists have been discussing for the past 40 years: do not make it hands-on. You roll out the accepted lessons from history or even the mythology of it and do little to challenge it. You do not want the trouble on yourselves or the administration, or even the students or parents should you perform with haste and inadequacy.
    Let the real learning occur later when passions are somewhat cooler, the students are more mature and patient, which can allow for intense professional and self-study.
    I think it is a very simplistic method of teaching empathy, but it will certainly have the desired effect.
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    Re: Bad lesson? Ohio elementary school in trouble after black student made to play sl

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    OK... I have a few questions. When the classroom was divided into "slaves" and "masters" was race taken into consideration? Were there blacks and whites on both sides? If this is the case, though somewhat insensitive, I do NOT see this as a racial issue and I'm not sure what the big deal is. For example, I know a lot of schools, when studying WWII, do "mock" Holocaust lessons, where classrooms are divided into "Nazi's" and "Jews". It gives students a feeling of what it was like and how easily power could corrupt (similar to the Stanford Prison Experiment). Should Jewish students be prevented from playing "Jews"? No, though a bit insensitive, if explained appropriately, I don't see a problem with this.
    A bit insensitive appears to be your stand on this issue. When I was 13 our band had a 15 year old African-American kid for a front man. I went to Jr. High while he was going to high school. When his history teacher covered slavery in the classroom he stayed home 'sick'.
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    Re: Bad lesson? Ohio elementary school in trouble after black student made to play sl

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    political correctness run amok.
    Only for the white people.
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    Re: Bad lesson? Ohio elementary school in trouble after black student made to play sl

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I also think that 10 years old is a bit young to manage a lesson like this, but if the students were randomized, the complaining about this is ridiculous. It's like a comedian telling an ethnic joke at a comedy club and a few people becoming offended. Context, people.
    Context is being one of two AA kids in a class about slavery. The child has a right to complain. He probably wasn't very comfortable with the whole exercise to begin with.

    I'd fire the teacher immediately.
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    Re: Bad lesson? Ohio elementary school in trouble after black student made to play sl

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    when I was younger we just watched Roots.
    We watched that in middle school. It was and is an amazing work, and would be MUCH better than having somethign like this happen. WTF was the teacher thinking?

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