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    Re: Bad lesson? Ohio elementary school in trouble after black student made to play sl

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    you can certainly TEACH them......but WHY by re-enacting something that makes a student feel humiliated? stupid.
    If I were doing this, I wouldn't choose a student who I knew wasn't going to understand the point of his/her role. If the student just thought he/she was being humiliated instead of helping the class understand a very important part of our history, I would choose someone else.

    Was this student "humiliated"?


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    Re: Bad lesson? Ohio elementary school in trouble after black student made to play sl

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    then being without an ability to identify with any 'hurt' inflicted upon the students, you acknowledge there was not damage inflicted by the teaching of the lesson in this manner
    I guess once you have created your straw man, you are very determined to stick with it.
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    Re: Bad lesson? Ohio elementary school in trouble after black student made to play sl

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    I guess once you have created your straw man, you are very determined to stick with it.
    and you are obviously without a rebuttal to my argument
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    Re: Bad lesson? Ohio elementary school in trouble after black student made to play sl

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i could talk to you about playing a guitar, but that would not be the same as experiencing trying to play one

    similarly, i could discuss with you about the aspects of playing the game of baseball. but until you got on the field and actually attempted to execute the activities required of a baseball position you would not really understand what was conveyed verbally

    hopefully, you don't receive a drivers license simply by studying the rules of the road, passing the written test of your knowledge of those rules, without also actually driving a vehicle

    none of us want to be on an airplane piloted by someone who has been lectured to about piloting requirements but has never actually flown a plane

    finally to my point. sometimes, a verbal lecture without actual experience is insufficient for the one listening to actually 'get' it. probably a major reason why we have chemistry and biology labs in school instead of simply chemistry and biology lecture halls
    i disagree. chemistry and biology and driving and music lessons don't make a student feel humiliated. wrong line of reasoning, here.

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    Re: Bad lesson? Ohio elementary school in trouble after black student made to play sl

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i disagree. chemistry and biology and driving and music lessons don't make a student feel humiliated. wrong line of reasoning, here.
    you wanted to know why such role playing was educationally better for the students than simply lecturing them, telling them what they should believe rather than allowing them to experience some small aspect of what it was like for slavery to exist

    i prefer the way which best instructs the students - in this instance about the history lesson being taught
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    Re: Bad lesson? Ohio elementary school in trouble after black student made to play sl

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you wanted to know why such role playing was educationally better for the students than simply lecturing them, telling them what they should believe rather than allowing them to experience some small aspect of what it was like for slavery to exist

    i prefer the way which best instructs the students - in this instance about the history lesson being taught
    i don't prefer anything that humiliates a student, ever.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Bad lesson? Ohio elementary school in trouble after black student made to play sl

    Reenacting historical events is one of the BEST ways to teach social studies. Kids remember things like that. They don't remember "blah, blah, blah" from a social studies textbook. I read in the article that the teacher divided the class into masters and slaves. I'm pretty sure she just did it like any other teacher (1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2,...) 1s go over there - you're masters; 2s go over there - you're the slaves. It just so happened he was probably a 2. Something tells me that he went home and told his mom about his day and SHE got offended so he got offended too.

    Now, if you have "masters" on the playground or in the cafeteria still treating the "slaves" as slaves, then you've got a problem. I read no indication of that.


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    Re: Bad lesson? Ohio elementary school in trouble after black student made to play sl

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    music lessons don't make a student feel humiliated.
    You obviously never heard me play sax in my school band...
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    Re: Bad lesson? Ohio elementary school in trouble after black student made to play sl

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    If I were doing this, I wouldn't choose a student who I knew wasn't going to understand the point of his/her role. If the student just thought he/she was being humiliated instead of helping the class understand a very important part of our history, I would choose someone else.

    Was this student "humiliated"?
    why do this at all? it borders on incompetence. i know, let's re-enact the death camps!!

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Bad lesson? Ohio elementary school in trouble after black student made to play sl

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i don't prefer anything that humiliates a student, ever.
    So the fat kids shouldn't have to run in PE?

    So the poor readers should never read aloud in class?

    So the clumsy kid should not be allowed to carry his own lunch tray?

    So the kid who pees his pants in school should be homeschooled from then on since kids will tease him about it forever?

    You can't shield kids from humiliation. Teaching about slavery isn't a lesson in humiliation, but a lesson in remembering our past and how horrific it was. You're always going to have some student that gets embarassed about something every single day. You can't walk on eggshells because of it or dumb/dull down your lessons because it might make someone a little uncomfortable.


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