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    Re: Hispanics Are Surging in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    They haven't even done anything yet. Have you read the law? It's not ambiguous.
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    Arizona's Immigration Law and Racial Profiling - Newsweek

    The law's opponents, however, consider such examples irrelevant. "Not having a driver's license and not speaking English doesn't make you an undocumented immigrant," says Venegas. Nor does having a fake ID or acting nervously when a cop questions you (just ask a teenager who wants to buy alcohol). And there's an additional problem: none of the scenarios Spencer cited are contained in the law. In fact, the statute fails to specify any characteristics or behaviors that law enforcement should focus on to determine whether there's a reasonable suspicion that someone is in the country illegally. "Most of the officers out there will try to do the right thing," says Venegas. "But we also know that agencies have some officers who will do dumb things."
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    Re: Hispanics Are Surging in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Gotcha. This is what everybody has been discussing. The fact that the law doesn't define what reasonable suspicion is.
    See, you think reasonable suspicion was just made up for this law. That's not the case.

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    Re: Hispanics Are Surging in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No reason to support racial profiling.
    She's not, but you are being a jerk.
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    Re: Hispanics Are Surging in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Don't be ridiculous, Hatuey. You attempted to back me into a corner, and I'd have none of it. You are the one who said the law shouldn't be enforced.
    It's you who backed themselves into a corner. You have refused to answer whether or not you support racial profiling and then when it's suggested that this law is a clear case of that you have defended its use by feigning ignorance as to why it's unconstitutional to racially profile. You're fooling nobody.

    If a police officer has reason to believe that a driver has broken a traffc law, he can stop him and ask for his driver's license. This, apparently, does not violate the 4th Amendment.
    IT'S NOT A VIOLATION OF THE 4th BECAUSE THEY ARE DRIVING.

    Why is it different to ask that same person for proof of citizenship if the police officer has reason to believe the driver has broken a traffic law and, further, that the driver may not be a legal resident of the U.S.?

    Unless you can show me otherwise, the 14th Amendment has absolutely no bearing on this discussion.
    Lawl, The 14th amendment deals with equal treatment under the law. Racial profiling violates this.
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    Re: Hispanics Are Surging in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Oh well, if Newsweek says it. You're creating boogie men that have yet to exist. Let's face it, the real problem with this law for some people is that it will be effective.
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    Re: Hispanics Are Surging in Arizona

    I have been an employer and can tell you that going after the employer isn't always the answer. Employers, particularly small businesses do not have the resources to verify documents.

    If a potential employee has authentic looking paperwork it can be very difficult to prove otherwise. We need to expand and make easily available some of the current systems that are in place to allow employers to cross reference photos and SS numbers.

    My suggestions for fixing out illegal immigration problem.

    1. Militarize our borders.
    2. Remove all public services to illegals.
    3. Deport all that are found.
    4. Reform citizenship rights for the children of illegals.
    5. Put a national employee database into place so that employers can verify status.

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    Re: Hispanics Are Surging in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    See, you think reasonable suspicion was just made up for this law. That's not the case.

    Reasonable suspicion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Your trolling has been disregarded. Did you actually read the bill? Here's a clue, the bill doesn't define what reasonable suspicion is.
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    Re: Hispanics Are Surging in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It's you who backed themselves into a corner. You have refused to answer whether or not you support racial profiling and then when it's suggested that this law is a clear case of that you have defended its use by feigning ignorance as to why it's unconstitutional to racially profile. You're fooling nobody.
    IT'S NOT A VIOLATION OF THE 4th BECAUSE THEY ARE DRIVING.

    Lawl, The 14th amendment deals with equal treatment under the law. Racial profiling violates this.
    How is it profiling to ask for a DL from everybody? If the driver has one, end of inquiry.
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    Re: Hispanics Are Surging in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The irony here is pretty thick. Despite the government's harshest measures, the rate of increase of the Hispanic population is among the hugest in the United States.

    For illegal immigration, Arizona authorities need to crack down, but if they take it as far as the bigotry that racial profiling is based on, then they should consider what it is like to be a minority in Arizona. After all, white people WILL be a minority in Arizona eventually. When that happens, they had better hope that the LEGAL Hispanic majority in Arizona doesn't remember what was done to them in an earlier time. If they do, then it is just possible that you might be seeing white people stopped by the police on a regular basis, and being forced to show proof that they are not members of the Ku Klux Klan.

    Article is here.
    Just in case no one pointed this out to you not all Hispanics are illegals nor do all Hispanics support illegal immigration. So I am pretty they are not uttering the pro-illegal lie that that the new Arizona law racially profiles.
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    Re: Hispanics Are Surging in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I have been an employer and can tell you that going after the employer isn't always the answer. Employers, particularly small businesses do not have the resources to verify documents.

    If a potential employee has authentic looking paperwork it can be very difficult to prove otherwise. We need to expand and make easily available some of the current systems that are in place to allow employers to cross reference photos and SS numbers.

    My suggestions for fixing out illegal immigration problem.

    1. Militarize our borders.
    2. Remove all public services to illegals.
    3. Deport all that are found.
    4. Reform citizenship rights for the children of illegals.
    5. Put a national employee database into place so that employers can verify status.
    It is not on the employers to verify documents. All they have to do is obey the law, and fill out the I-9 forms. Through audit process already in place for employment taxes, and employee withholding, the government can compare documents submitted by employees when they begin work at a company to records in existing databases. If fraudulent documents are submitted by an illegal alien, then he is prosecuted for fraud, and deported after serving a prison sentence. But if employers do not submit I-9 forms, and illegals are found to be working at the company, the company owner, or whoever is responsible, goes to jail.
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