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    Re: Hispanics Are Surging in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Then the law is unenforceable and should be stricken. We need to remove immigration quotas, stop border checks, the whole nine yards.
    Yay for stupid hyperbolic statements.

    Where in the Constitution does it say racial profiling is unconstitutional? Honest question here. I'd like to know.
    4th Amendment, 14th amendment. That you have to ask about the constitutionality of racial profiling is simply one more sign.
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    Re: Hispanics Are Surging in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    They should be asking about everybody who's working there, looking through employment records for the things all employees should have, picture ID and a social security card (and yes, those things can be forged, but that would go to prove the employer didn't knowing hire somebody illegal).
    Now that I like. Thank you. All employees should have a picture I.D. and a Social Security card. Makes perfect sense to me. So then, should Arizona be able to enforce it that way?
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    Re: Hispanics Are Surging in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Tell us what other measures are included in the bill as determinants for asking somebody immigration status? Not being able to speak English? That's most of Koreatown's and Spanish Harlem's legal residents. What is it that will allow a cop to ask for proof of a person's legal immigration status if they have a broken tail light? To act like this law won't lead to racial profiling is naive.
    Once an officer makes contact, they need to have reasonable suspicion to inquire further, such as lack of a driver's license, or how about a DL from another country? Resonable suspicion is not new btw, that's the beginning standard for all detentions now.
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    Re: Hispanics Are Surging in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    No it doesn't. To believe that you have to assume all law enforcement are racist pigs.
    When the law is purposely created in ambiguous wording? Then it's the politicians who created it that are racist pigs. The cops who enforce such laws? They're just as guilty.
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    Re: Hispanics Are Surging in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Once an officer makes contact, they need to have reasonable suspicion to inquire further,
    Gotcha. This is what everybody has been discussing. The fact that the law doesn't define what reasonable suspicion is.
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    Re: Hispanics Are Surging in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yay for stupid hyperbolic statements.



    4th Amendment, 14th amendment. That you have to ask about the constitutionality of racial profiling is simply one more sign.
    She just disagrees with you. No reason to be a jerk.
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    Re: Hispanics Are Surging in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    We have Federal laws in the United States that say it is illegal for someone from another country to live in our country without going through proper channels. Either we enforce the law or it is unenforceable. Which is it? How would you enforce the law?



    What?? Employers?? How do employers know that someone is here illegally? I don't have an I-9 form. Does that mean I can't get a job? Who do employers demand I-9's from? How do they make that decision?
    No, the employers fill them out. The government can easily, though audit processes that are already in place, do additional checks on the documentation given in I-9 forms to determine whether or not they are fraudulent. If they are, because the illegal gave false ID, then the company didn't know, and the illegal goes to prison for fraud, and is then deported when his sentence is finished. However, if the company management does not turn in I-9 forms, and illegals are working there, then the company management goes to jail. It's as simple as that.
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    Re: Hispanics Are Surging in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    She just disagrees with you. No reason to be a jerk.
    No reason to support racial profiling.
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    Re: Hispanics Are Surging in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    When the law is purposely created in ambiguous wording? Then it's the politicians who created it that are racist pigs. The cops who enforce such laws? They're just as guilty.
    They haven't even done anything yet. Have you read the law? It's not ambiguous.
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    Re: Hispanics Are Surging in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yay for stupid hyperbolic statements.
    Don't be ridiculous, Hatuey. You attempted to back me into a corner, and I'd have none of it. You are the one who said the law shouldn't be enforced.

    4th Amendment, 14th amendment. That you have to ask about the constitutionality of racial profiling is simply one more sign.
    Fourth Amendment: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
    If a police officer has reason to believe that a driver has broken a traffc law, he can stop him and ask for his driver's license. This, apparently, does not violate the 4th Amendment. Why is it different to ask that same person for proof of citizenship if the police officer has reason to believe the driver has broken a traffic law and, further, that the driver may not be a legal resident of the U.S.?

    Unless you can show me otherwise, the 14th Amendment has absolutely no bearing on this discussion.
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