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    Re: Hispanics Are Surging in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    She's asking how else would you enforce this bill if not through racial profiling. So I'm asking her if she's in support of racial profiling. Mind your business.
    Sorry, didn't realize this was a private conversation. You're assertion that you have to racially profile is bogus, but I guess you don't want to hear that.
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    Re: Hispanics Are Surging in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You keep running around the question. This law is not aimed at anybody other than the huge hispanic illegal immigration. There is no way that racial profiling wouldn't be used in order to enforce it. So again, are you in support of racial profiling?
    We have Federal laws in the United States that say it is illegal for someone from another country to live in our country without going through proper channels. Either we enforce the law or it is unenforceable. Which is it? How would you enforce the law?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    By whatever means are LEGAL under the Constitution of the United States of America. And if it cannot be enforced legally, then it cannot be enforced. However, what I would do is enforce the law that no employers hire illegal aliens. That one is rather easy to enforce, through audits of payroll taxes collected, and examinations of I-9 forms. If the two do not correlate, then you have evidence of lawbreaking by employers. THAT would take care of the problem. If employers violate the law, then they should go to jail. Do not pass go, and do not collect $200.00. If the illegals can't find work, they will go home.
    What?? Employers?? How do employers know that someone is here illegally? I don't have an I-9 form. Does that mean I can't get a job? Who do employers demand I-9's from? How do they make that decision?
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    Re: Hispanics Are Surging in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    We have Federal laws in the United States that say it is illegal for someone from another country to live in our country without going through proper channels. Either we enforce the law or it is unenforceable. Which is it? How would you enforce the law?



    What?? Employers?? How do employers know that someone is here illegally? I don't have an I-9 form. Does that mean I can't get a job? Who do employers demand I-9's from? How do they make that decision?
    Immigration raids of businesses. They happen now. In fact Obama's stepped those up. Actually, I agree with Dana on this. Go after the employers.
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    Re: Hispanics Are Surging in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Immigration raids of businesses. They happen now. In fact Obama's stepped those up. Actually, I agree with Dana on this. Go after the employers.
    Stay with me, X Factor. So, ICE raids a business. How do they know who's there illegally? How do they know who to ask about being in the country illegally?
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    Re: Hispanics Are Surging in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Just because a law is largely violated by one race does not mean it is racial profiling to enforce the law.
    That is a straw man. What I'm arguing is that if the law itself leads to racial profiling then by default that's the method of enforcement.

    Maggie is trying to get an answer of how you enforce the law. I would like to see an answer as well. If you can't check the status of people that have already violated another law, then how do you enforce the law?
    The law bars police officers from taking race alone into consideration when asking about a person's immigration status. So what else would they take into consideration? Say during a routing traffic stop? All this running around is silly. Tell us, if the law doesn't lead to racial profiling, what does it lead to?
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    Re: Hispanics Are Surging in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    We have Federal laws in the United States that say it is illegal for someone from another country to live in our country without going through proper channels. Either we enforce the law or it is unenforceable. Which is it? How would you enforce the law?
    If the law leads to racial profiling, which it does, it's unconstitutional and thus shouldn't even be an option.
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    Re: Hispanics Are Surging in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If the law leads to racial profiling, which it does, it's unconstitutional and thus shouldn't even be an option.
    Then the law is unenforceable and should be stricken. We need to remove immigration quotas, stop border checks, the whole nine yards.

    Edit: Where in the Constitution does it say racial profiling is unconstitutional? Honest question here. I'd like to know.
    Last edited by MaggieD; 03-13-11 at 11:11 PM.
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    Re: Hispanics Are Surging in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    You're assertion that you have to racially profile is bogus, but I guess you don't want to hear that.
    Tell us what other measures are included in the bill as determinants for asking somebody immigration status? Not being able to speak English? That's most of Koreatown's and Spanish Harlem's legal residents. What is it that will allow a cop to ask for proof of a person's legal immigration status if they have a broken tail light? To act like this law won't lead to racial profiling is naive.
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    Re: Hispanics Are Surging in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Stay with me, X Factor. So, ICE raids a business. How do they know who's there illegally? How do they know who to ask about being in the country illegally?
    They should be asking about everybody who's working there, looking through employment records for the things all employees should have, picture ID and a social security card (and yes, those things can be forged, but that would go to prove the employer didn't knowing hire somebody illegal).
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    Re: Hispanics Are Surging in Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If the law leads to racial profiling, which it does, it's unconstitutional and thus shouldn't even be an option.
    No it doesn't. To believe that you have to assume all law enforcement are racist pigs.
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