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    Re: Arab League backs no-fly zone in Libya

    I thought the whole gripe against us was that we meddled in the internal affairs of Arab countries?
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    Re: Arab League backs no-fly zone in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Well, it's not your problem, it's not your war I agree.

    That's why I just wish you would come out and say it so the Libyan people would know the West is not coming into help.

    Not that I think they'll appreciate it afterwards anyway.
    Ohhhhhhhhhh, yeah! If we went in locked, cocked and ready rock you would be complaining about that. Since we're not, you complaining that we aren't doing anything.

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    Re: Arab League backs no-fly zone in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    IMO, the Arab League's gesture is a rather hollow one.

    1. The Arab League has effectively punted to the UN. The UN has demonstrated during repeated humanitarian crises (Rwanda, Darfur, etc.) that it lacks the agility and capability to address them.
    2. The article notes: "We hope the Libyan authorities will respect a no-fly decision," he said. "Be assured the Arab countries will not accept the intervention of the NATO coalition." In other words, the Arab stance is built on the "hope" that Gadhafi will comply (when he has rejected all other diplomatic requests to date on the issue). They don't want NATO intervention and they appear unwilling to bring their own air assets into play.

    As for the U.S. stance, I continue to believe shipping a limited arsenal of arms, particularly anti-aircraft weapons e.g., Stinger missiles, would have been useful. I do not believe direct military intervention was justified by U.S. interests.
    We would have had to put people in the field and trained the rebels on the proper deployment and employment of those weapons systems. I trained on the Stinger and you don't just pick it and shoot and expect expert results.

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    Re: Arab League backs no-fly zone in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Taking out Gaddafi's air superiority would have given the rebels a fighting chance.

    To bad it's probably to late.
    You realize that the first step in removing Qadaffhi's air supremacy--not air superiority--is to destroy his air forces, right? And that means putting steel on target. I doubt that anyone, especially the Arab League, is ready to take that step.

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    Re: Arab League backs no-fly zone in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ohhhhhhhhhh, yeah! If we went in locked, cocked and ready rock you would be complaining about that. Since we're not, you complaining that we aren't doing anything.
    You presume to know alot about me apdst.

    When you do not.

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    Re: Arab League backs no-fly zone in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We would have had to put people in the field and trained the rebels on the proper deployment and employment of those weapons systems. I trained on the Stinger and you don't just pick it and shoot and expect expert results.
    Of course. I never suggested otherwise. However, a handful of trainers does not constitute direct military intervention. The model used in Afghanistan during that country's conflict with the Soviet Union albeit on a smaller scale would provide an example of how it could be done.

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    Re: Arab League backs no-fly zone in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    You presume to know alot about me apdst.

    When you do not.
    So, you support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?

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    Re: Arab League backs no-fly zone in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    You presume to know alot about me apdst.

    When you do not.
    How about letting the Arab league do it! What are we their dog on a leash that they get to say go attack. Does anyone see the irony in them saying it is OK with them if we risk our kids lives to fix one of their problems.

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    Re: Arab League backs no-fly zone in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Of course. I never suggested otherwise. However, a handful of trainers does not constitute direct military intervention. The model used in Afghanistan during that country's conflict with the Soviet Union albeit on a smaller scale would provide an example of how it could be done.
    Yeah, but we've seen what happens when we start out with, "a handful of trainers". Not saying I oppose it, entirely; just pointing out where a handful of trainers, historically, has led us.

    If we're going to do that, I suggest we hire some privateers to go in and train the rebels, so then we'll have some pluasible deniability.

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    Re: Arab League backs no-fly zone in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, you support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?
    I support the troops there, and I hope for victory. Afghanistan was justified, to me Iraq was not. But that's not the topic here, and we could talk about it all damned day.

    But if you mean to tell me that the invasion of Iraq is the same as enforcing a no Fly Zone over Libya, then you must be crazy...

    Besides if you read what I actually said, I personally don't mind of America intervenes, actually I'd prefer it if they don't, I'm just tired of Obama Umming and Ahhing over it. Do it or don't, tired of talk.

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